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Published on 04/26/2012 at Thu Apr 26 22:20.
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Broncos have options in second round of draft

Posted Thu Apr 26th by

Denver Broncos vice president John Elway talks about trading the team's first-round pick in the NFL football draft at the Denver Broncos headquarters in Englewood, Colo., on April 26, 2012. The Broncos traded the 25th pick to New England for their 31st pick. They then traded that pick to Tampa Bay. (AP Photo/Ed Andrieski)

The first round of the 2012 NFL Draft came and went without the Denver Broncos making a single selection after the team traded down, as we expected they would.  Going into day two of the draft, the team has options, with eight total selections.

“Our board looked the same, and we have the same players at No. 36 than we would have had at No. 31,” Vice President of Football Operations John Elway said following the first round of the draft. “We don’t have a new player yet, but we like where we sit. We’re excited.”

With picks in the second (36th and 57th), third (87th), fourth (101, 108 and 120), fifth (137th) and sixth (188th) rounds, the team has what Elway called “currency” to make more moves on Friday.  The team owns two 2nd round selections and three 4th round selections, so they’ll have plenty of ammunition to move around.

“I understand the fans being a little bit disappointed because they want to get excited and see who’s the next Denver Bronco,” Elway told DenverBroncos.com. “I think everybody naturally wants to do that, but that will be over as soon as we get started tomorrow and get that first pick. Where we sit, I think tomorrow will be exciting.”  

Elway noted following the draft that a lot of the players that the team liked at No. 25 and No. 31 will still be there when the team selects fourth overall in the second round (assuming they don’t trade down again).  Some of the top remaining prospect options for the Broncos  include running backs Lamar Miller and Robert Turbin, defensive tackles Jerel Worthy, Devon Still and Kendall Reyes, linebacker Courtney Upshaw, wide receivers Stephen Hill and Rueben Randle, cornerback Janoris Jenkins and tight end Coby Fleener.

“Anytime you’re picking in the second round — we have two tomorrow in the second and one in the third — we still feel like those impact guys are there,” Elway said. “As we talked about last year, we’re not going to fix this thing overnight, we’re not going to fix it with one draft. But to be able to get those impact guys plus be able to get a lot of quality young football players is what we need to do to build this base.”

In all, twenty of my thirty-two prospects to watch remain on the board entering the second round of the draft.  Former Broncos running back Terrell Davis is scheduled to announce one of Denver’s second round selections.

There are still some nice options available for the Broncos.  While they may have not gotten great compensation when trading down, the team has given themselves more options and the ability to select multiple prospects in the second and third rounds of the draft on Friday. 

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  • http://Facebook.com/BroncosZone Jon

    More quotes from Elway can be found here: http://on.fb.me/IcXfVF

  • millertime

    The broncos should be used to be getting the short end of the trade value chart from the Patriots, but also from Tampa Bay??

  • Anonymous

    I’m really curious to see if any pick tomorrow will be the “impact” guy that they seem to think. I’d be surprised if one of them even starts. Hightower or Martin both will start game one, for sure. Hope some of us are wrong.

  • Ryan K.

    The value chart means nothing in this situation.  If you are at #25 and you are going to take Worthy, Still, or Reyes and none really jump out at you, how is it a loss in anyway to select that same guy at 36 and have an extra pick in the 4th round?  

    Charts are nice, but they are not meant to be prisons. 

  • http://Facebook.com/BroncosZone Jon

    Well said!

  • marvens

     we will get Worthy, Jenkins and Reyes tomorrow

  • http://broncotalk.net Monty

    Here’s a hypothetical illustrating why charts are important:

    Say the Broncos panic now that two running backs fell off the board right after they traded out of 31. They don’t want to miss out on Lamar Miller, so they trade back up to 33. Say they offer their new shiny 101st overall pick to move up from 36 to 33.

    Now the rest of their draft looks exactly the same. They have no extra pick. And they moved back from 25 to 33 and got NOTHING. That’s one big reason, among many, why having a value chart is important.

    The fact is, the Broncos’ board will *not* look exactly the same at 36 as it does at 31. There will be 5 less guys available to them. And you can’t keep moving back at a loss in trade value and expect to be “winning” anything.

    The Ravens trade showed that the Broncos got burned tonight. The Broncos should have held out for better pick compensation rather than trading their picks 15 minutes before they were on the clock.

  • Tom9798

    This has to be about saving dollars . . . not making cents.
     
    It’s tough to watch the other teams skim the ‘cream’ off the top, while we opt for 2% milk.
     
    We now have a couple whole milk picks, a couple 2% picks, a couple 1% picks, and a couple no fat choices.
     
    I’m sure we’ll all be thrilled with our picks, while we’re watching our weight.

  • anthony33

    End of the day they had the chance to draft Hightower or Martin and they whiffed on both.  I just don’t understand it… either one of those guys would have helped starting September 9.

    I agree with whoever said this was about money.  

  • Anonymous

    No. Not really. 

    That’s asking me to break your $10 and I give you 8 $1 dollar bills. Is that somehow okay?

  • Mdins

    With who was available and the holes to fill, it made sense to trade down for 2 #2 picks. 2 # 2’s are better than 1 #1 that is not going to be a standout.

  • Anonymous

    Amen Kyle. Amen.

  • stav

    I liked Hightower but heard he wouldnt be a good fit for our system. Yeah, I dont see why we just didnt take Worthy at 25 or 31. I mean, what did we really gain? I was looking for DT or ILB in the first. I hope that’s what we’ll see tonight, and then RB/WR tomorrow? 

    Except for checking out (tivo’ing/rewinding/checking out/rewinding/checking out) Matt Kalil’s incredibly smoking MILF, that was a complete let down yesterday. I knew they’d trade down but out of the first round?  New thread/topic: 2012 Draft of Hottest Prospect Moms, Matt Kalil’s Mother, Pick #1.  Sorry Matt, but your mother completely knew what she was doing when she poured herself into that tight red dress.

  • flbronc

     yes, the ravens got a better trade.  but you have to remember that a trade takes a second team.  i guarantee that we got the best trade available to us when we were on the clock. 

    i agree that we probably should have recieved more back, but if we have our eyes on players that are still available, then i can go along with it.  lets face it, if we are looking at defense one of worthy, still, reyes or upshaw are still going to be there.  i would have been alright with any of them in at 25 (1st choice was hightower).

  • flbronc

     it has nothing to do with dollars.  the 25th pick doesnt make squat compared to what it used to.  Tebow got a bigger contract at 25 when he was drafted than RG3 is going to get and right on par with what Luck is going to land.

    it has to do with the talent the front office sees on the board.  they obviously feel like there is a clump of guys that grade out about the same.

  • flbronc

     would you be ok if we take worthy at 36 and get another 4th in the process?  looks like that may be what happens.

  • flbronc

     it’s like an atm machine… 3 bucks to pull your own 20 out… 

    i konw that has nothing to do with the discussion, just what came to mind.

  • Snipe

    Were those guys we wanted? The top 5 picks will also start day one…does that make us losers? It’s ridiculous to think that all these guys will be impact players and getting upset because we didn’t get one. 24 other teams passed on Hightower and 30 other teams passed on Martin…were they dumb also?

  • Snipe

    Not really Mr East…unless money is completely subjective….it’s more like trading a frisbee for two snowcones…who got ripped off?

  • stav

    I think that no matter what anyone says, this is a financially based decision. I was never excited about Martin, but why take Worthy in the first and pay him first round money when he can possibly slip to them in the second? Its a risk, but I think we’re looking at some of the consequences of signing a qb for $19mill a year. Just get me a DT and ILB tonight and I’ll be happy. 

  • Snipe

    If our 1st choice was hightower, we would have stayed put and drafted him. Clearly he wasn’t.

  • Snipe

    Another person with the misperception about the “cream” being skimmed off. If those aren’t the players that we want or need, then they aren’t OUR cream. As Elway said, our guys are still available…so you are basically asking us to draft a guy we were going to draft at pick #25 when we can have him at #36. Does that make sense? I bet car dealers love to dicker with you.

  • Snipe

    Or maybe they didn’t want those guys? Think of that?

  • Snipe

    Besides, then you would have complained we didn’t get a DT when we should have.

  • Snipe

    I really don’t understand this I guess. If we intended to draft Worthy or some other defensive tackle, or several were interchangeable, and we still can, only cheaper and while getting an extra pick in the high 4th round, I don’t see why everyone is so traumatized. I bet if offered a new car for $16,000, you would argue that you wanted to pay $20,000 instead.

  • flbronc

     agreed, that’s why i said my first choice. 

    i’ll trust the professionals here.  just wish we had more in return for our picks.

  • flbronc

     i really dont think so… according to nfl.com the 24th pick last year (25 was undisclosed) got a contract for 7.7 mil over 4 years.    less than 2m per season isnt a huge bite to take for a starting dt.

    it’s not a cap situation, and i dont think that bowlen is going to cry over a couple million to make the team better.  he has to spend now, as we are in the ‘win it now’ mode.

  • stav

    I dont think there’s any real “trauma”, just confusion? You always want your team to make a splash or get some buzz with their first round pick and we didnt get that. We’re never going to be told the real reasons for trading out of the first round and if we get Worthy at #36 than I can only feel that it was a money decision. Lets all save our nail biting until after tonight and if we end up trading out of the 2nd or going for reaches tonight then we can start panicking tomorrow. Like I said, get me a DT(or two) and ILB in the 2nd round tonight and I’ll sleep like a baby.

  • Anthony

    The great John Elway will manage his team well like all the former great players went on to do. Micheal Jordan for example.

    yep. 

  • flbronc

     yea he really whiffed on miller and franklin, didnt he?  just like jordan and kwame brown.

  • Mike

    I see there point so let’s hope they come threw. I got faith in them so let the J&J connection work there magic.

  • Sandman19662000

    Guys Bill Polian made a living off of late round draft picks and most of them started, making us wait never made it right BUT in the end he made a lot of us grateful he was picking the guys not us. I am a player fan a lot of ex-colts are around the league and starting. things will work out just have a little faith

  • Anonymous

    Nope they apparently were not guys they wanted at all or one of them would be a Bronco this morning. I don’t even remotely think that “ALL” the players taken in the first round will be impact players at all but I think those two will be and if/when they are impact players all the teams who’s are not; then yes they will be dumb also… I think its ridiculous to think you know what someone else thinks ;-)

  • stav

    Yeah – I have complete confidence that Elway knows what he’s doing and that he’s pretty much asking Fox what he’d “LIKE to have” and then deciding on his own who to pick. I’d like to think that after winning two SB’s, MVPs, ProBowls, that Elway has the eye for natural football talent.

  • cuda

    Look, FEX are taking another big gamble they’re smarter than NE, Tampa and the rest of us fanatics.
    If they’re wrong we’ll have a top 5 draft choice next year(s) that they can trade for nothing and help NE again.
    If they’re right, then one of them will be governor soon.
    There’s nothing you can do as this is a five year plan FEX has to make or break…  we shall see

  • cuda

    Look, FEX are taking another big gamble they’re smarter than NE, Tampa and the rest of us fanatics.
    If they’re wrong we’ll have a top 5 draft choice next year(s) that they can trade for nothing and help NE again.
    If they’re right, then one of them will be governor soon.
    There’s nothing you can do as this is a five year plan FEX has to make or break…  we shall see

  • Anonymous

    Its kind of like Cleveland… Why did they give up so much to pick the guy they wanted one pick sooner when they knew full well the Vikings were not going to pick him??? Dumb! Simply because he is number three so we will pick him #3? The point is why take less value when you don’t have to?

    I will admit that after sleeping on it that I get that they think they are going to get the same guy they wanted at a later pick, have to pay him less yada yada yada. Which also means that they were absolutely not going for best player available and that is what had/has me steamed a little. They were simply talking shit with that part if they now get “the guy” they wanted if in fact two, or more now, “better” or “higher” rated players are gone. Why not just come out with it and say “we are going for less talented guys to try to fill our needs”? Monty is 100% right the board can’t look the same, again they should just say we were looking for a particular guy, regardless if he is rated lower.

    Tells me no matter what they get at this point that will be the guy they wanted, at least that is what they will tell us and the rest of the world…lol.

  • Anonymous

    Are you like their private do gooder? Or you must be a car salesman with all those reverences… Either way you are at least slightly entertaining. LMAO

  • Anonymous

    Oh no he is right we are all genuinely traumatized and should sue immedialty…lol.

    The only way I go for the 16K car is if that is the one I wanted. The Broncos should simply say it; We don’t want a 20K car we’d rather have a 16K car. At least everyone would then know that they had not gone insane and it would save all us simpletons from being so “traumatized” ;-).

  • Anonymous

    At this point this is the advise that I am ultimately taking. As I stated way up… I hope some of us are wrong. And if I am I have no issue with saying so. The regs here know that. We’ve been where you Colts fans are, problem is for just too long I’m afraid. But at least you guys at this point have a bright looking future with your second potential franchise QB in a row. Hopefully, for you, the turn around wont take as long. And yes I am glad at this point that your first FQB is finishing his career with us ;-).

  • Anonymous

    It’s not about trying to out smart people or about money.  If you have the opportunity to select someone and then don’t, it’s because you really just don’t like how that person fits what you need.  Hightower projects more as an OLB and last I checked we have a couple of really good ones.  Martin good all around back but similar in skills set to Willis just younger.  We need a good receiving RB to have a check down for PM to throw to with the chance to be a game breaker (L Miller or LM James).  If we can get the same guy at 36 that we would have at 25 and get an extra pick then what about that doesn’t make sense.  

  • roshon2411

    The draft chart is outdated.  Based on the same chart, the Vikings got screwed trading down from the 2nd pick to the 3rd by 298.5 points, essentially a late second.  I don’t believe I heard anyone say the Vikings got burned. 

    It’s all going to be relative to who the Broncos draft.  If they get a player projected to be a first round pick in the second, and picked up a 4th round it’s a win.  If they reach it’s a loss.

    I saw one Mock Draft this morning had the Broncos taking Worthy, and Still with both 2nd’s.  Combined with an extra 4th, I’d take that as a win.

    Plus I wouldn’t be surprised to see Denver put a package together to move back into the 2nd round for three 2nd round picks.  Their 3rd and two 4th’s would do it and possibly only one 4th.

  • cuda

    Funny, I thought that’s exactly what the NFL is about, being the best team and the best organization.
    Not being an average team and fodder for the top teams, now that makes sense.

  • Stav

    Look, if we still get Jerel Worthy at #36, great this worked and we got another pick. But if we gambled and lost out on a potential starting DT then this was a waste. That’s our #1 need and if its not taken care of in the 2nd round, and I’m not saying by selecting someone whose a reach, then this was just stupid. Personally, I think our #2 need is MLB, we haven’t had a quality MLB since AL Wilson. Then RB and another QB.

    I’d rather see Devon Still at #36 over Worthy, then comeback maybe with Lamar Miller or LeMichael James (Miller preferably, James is tiny) at #57. I know we need a backup QB but I’d rather give Manning an RB (at #57) out of the backfield that can make a 2yd pass or dumpoff into a 20+ yd play. Shades of Portis? 

    We really need to address the ILB situation as Nate Irving was a swing and miss.

  • Anonymous

    No. Not at all.

    You don’t be subjective with the draft value chart. 

    See Kyle’s explanation below.

  • Anonymous

    What’s he doing now?

  • cuda

    Nice obfuscation Snipe. The simple fact is that FEX helped NE and TB become better teams and got zippo in return. Like it or not - that’s it.
    Let the rationalizations resume!

    P.S.  The point chart was designed to help the bad traders shall we say, from being constantly flimflammed by the better traders…so much for good intentions.

  • Jackson3793

    The problem is, they didn’t get an EXTRA pick in the 4th round to move back from 31 to 36.  They effectively gave up 5 draft positions at the top end so that they could move up a little with one of their 4th round picks.  That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.  It didn’t take a genius to know that the Giants were going to go after a RB (once Hightower was gone) and that Tampa wanted to pick a RB first … so make sure they pay well for that right.  Don’t just upgrade the 4th round pick, make Tampa Bay give it up entirely.  Trading back twice and getting two extra picks makes a lot more sense than just getting one.

  • Jackson3793

    Exactly flbronc … my first choice would have been Hightower too.  And he DID go #25 overall … to the Patriots.  I can’t believe the Broncos let an impact player like Hightower go to a team that stands to be one of their biggest rivals over the next three to five years (or as long as Peyton Manning is playing for Denver). I know that they just signed Mays to a four year ($16M) deal and are still hoping for Nate Irving to make some progress, but Hightower would have been an upgrade at MLB right away … and he’ll only get better as he gets NFL experience.  The Broncos could have had him, but they traded to New England (at a negative value to the Broncos) and then again traded to Tampa Bay (at an even larger negative value).

    Sure, a trade takes a second team, but that doesn’t mean the Broncos have to automatically take the trade when they’re offered crap in return.  I know they think they can get a guy they want at 36 (and I’m sure they can), but there aren’t any more Dont’a Hightowers on the board.

    Not taking an impact player when you have the chance to do so … seems to me to go against that whole philosophy of building through the draft by picking up impact players.

  • Ryan K.

    So wait Mr. East, let me make sure I understand you right.  So in order for Elway to not thought of as getting taken by guys like you, he should have drafted Worthy, Reyes, or Still at #25 rather than trade down to 36 get the same guy and pick up a 4th rounder.

    Talk about losing value.  Losing value is when you pay more for something than you had to.  So analogies of exchanging your $10 bill for $8 is just wrong.  Your $10 is in this case is one of those DT prospects (which you will still get) and now you will add a 4th as well.  

    So keep arguing about charts all you want, but bottom line is the Broncos will get the guy they wanted and another pick.  

    You almost have to outthink this to see the Broncos as fools…

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