Broncos Eager for Preseason Opener in Dallas

I'm just glad we'll be able to talk/write about actual FOOTBALL instead of wide-spread speculation.  I'm tired of the Broncos being thrust into the spotlight for all the wrong reasons.  I think we're going to be better than a lot of people think and I can't wait to be proven right.  Go Broncos!

Hey they tried to trade Orton and it didn't happen.  Let's see how he does with a better running game and better tight ends.  Orlando Franklin 'has' to be better than Zane Beadles at right tackle right?  Let's get it goin guys!

Apologies, Herc.  I should have looked it over better before posting, I just now noticed how crappy it was.  I believe I got most of the errors.

C'mon Jon… that's some Ian Henson stuff right there.

I am not a Orton fan at all,but I believe we will do better just by getting rid of McD.Fox is a coach that can get the best out of his players and not get under there skin.If,did i mentiom if we can just get our qb situation right we will be fine.

Anybody have any feelings about using Orton between the 20s and Tebow in the red-zone?

Its never been done in NFL history– as no starting QB wants to be removed from the goal-line situations where he can accumulate TD's and cash in– but it could allow Tebow to focus on a smaller set of plays while still keeping defenses from rushing the QB with their ears pinned back.

Knowing that they would have to spy Tebow in case he does an Elway-style delayed QB draw, immediately gives us a numerical advantage.  And although McD used Tebow in a pathetic wildcat where Orton spread out wide as a receiver, Tim was under orders to not throw the ball and everyone in the stadium knew it (including the defenses that left Orton uncovered).

It would take a lot of guts, but I hope FEX tries this in one of the pre-season games to see what kind of looks the defenses give.  Obviously he'd have to be able to shot-put passes whilst running to his right side with the same touch as he showed on that TD to Spencer Larson to the left last year from five yards out.

But if he can fling it– or even do a Favre-style underhand forward-lateral when defenses dare him to roll to his right side– I say that his toughness and escapability make this a unique proposition worth trying.  Plus, we finally have some TEs that can catch and block so Gronkowski and Quinn– who will both end up getting cut I predict– won't tip off the defenses about what kind of play we'll be calling (and Tebow utilized the TE effectcively at Florida and even hit Hernandez on a jump pass occasionally).

Anyone else have thoughts on this never-been-tried idea (assuming that the Miami trade is truly off-the-table and we have both Kyle and Tim this year).

Dallas once alternated Roger Staubach and Craig “equally-lead-footed”   Morton.  And Denver shuttled QB's in-and-out every play the season Elway went down in Wade Phillips final campaign when Shawn Moore and Tommy Maddox were QB (and both lacked the experience to memorize and execute an entire drive on their own).

But this concept of mine allows Orton to marshal his troops and develop momentum and game management for as many plays as it takes to get to the red-zone (while Tebow can focus on 10-12 plays in practice instead of trying to mimic Orton's practice savvy in stepping up in the pocket after rapidly going through his reads). 

If its done with TE, RB's and other offensive positions, why can't we do it at QB too (which would satisfy both camps in this divisive debate until Coach Fox gets to see more game tape)?  This way Tebow's learning-curve isn't stalled yet Orton is still called the starter (and if he outplays Tebow along the goal-line– and can actually run it in on a rare QB bootleg– he can garner the fulltime starter duties as well after the exhibition game experiment).

As the season and the individual games progress, Orton's fear of contact and getting smashed inevitably transform what always starts out as 5-to-7-step drops with fundamental prowess and stepping into throws effectively.

It ends up becoming back-foot tosses and zero escapability (while literally wilting in the pocket from pressure that surrounds but doesn't always even touch him).

On the other hand, Tebow's inconsistency in hitting Brandon Lloyd on deep balls– even discounting the weird way the ball dies like a wounded duck or spins in an unfamilar way that sails out of Lloyd's comfort-zone– won't be a problem if Tim is only inserted when he is within 10-or-15 yards of the end-zone (where its more about buying time and forcing defenses to not over-pursue from the backside… which Tebow could make them pay for unlike Orton).

He can throw with velocity, so even his incompletions wont probably result in long INTs returned for six.  So I think we'll just end up getting three points instead of a TD when it doesn't work out (which is all Orton usually accomplished anyways).

I agree….but left it for you to be a dick about it. Lol
(Sic) is only used in typo's, yes?

An “aliment” is a colloquial expression
uttered by the former Cassius Clay.

I don't see Orton being replaced every red zone play, but i can picture Tebow coming in occasionally in the red zone. Or anywhere on the field for that matter. Orton seemed to not throw up to much of a fuss last year when Tebow came in for some TDs. I think it would be very unique and possibly affective to have Orton and Tebow on the field at the same time. Beings i am not a offensive Coordinator. I have no idea how that would work but it just sounds intriguing.

If Orton does not have 5 wins by week ten i see Tebow ultimately replacing him anyways

That explains it

orton made all the throws last season.

now all we ask of him is to win games.

and maybe not get phantom sacked again.

TL;DR

If you only read every 43rd word, it says:  “Anybody who starts Orton has the ball in their backside anyways (sic)”…

Get out of here nerd.

Who's coming over to my place for the game!?

True that.  I should have removed the first-person.  I was just in a rush and wanted to underline that I didn't envision it as the sort of formation where Orton is also on the field (as in last season).

Even CJ– who seemed to agree with Tebow helming the red-zone offense idea– thought I meant playing them both at once (so I clearly did a poor job of explaining).

Admittedly, I don't understand the needlessly-complex QB substitution rules that should be simplified (and may have forced McD to keep Orton spread wide as a wasted target that Tebow couldn't throw to anyways).

Perhaps those rules didn't exist when Maddow and Moore shuttled in for Elway on every play in the early 90's experiment (that was actually under Reeves last season not Phillips).

I just think it would benefit the whole organization to tone down the “who's starting?” speculation with a more bifurcated arrangement that allows both QB's to use their strengths without sacrificing the team's interests to appease individuals (like Brandon Lloyd's desire to prove he's not a one-year wonder at WR…. with a more consistent thrower putting the ball where he expects).

When Orton looks crisp, he clearly plants his back foot and steps into the pocket.  But by game 3-5, the hits– and the expectations of hits to come– start to shake his confidence with every bruising blitz and natural pass-rush.

Tebow's gifts are not developed enough to warrant a starting nod according to Elway and those who understand the position more than we ever will.

But having him come in off the bench for an entire series on first-and-goal— automatically and as part of a plan– will best defuse the inevitable media speculation about what Coach Fox is signaling (or what individual play he was setting him up for).

Its all about not tipping off whether its a run or a pass.  Now that we have Tight Ends capable of both receiving and blocking, we may as well have a QB that is also capable of punching the ball in with his legs as well.

The fact that the organization focused on bringing in rangy young TE's and Safeties shows me that they grasp the chess game that the opposition was dominating us in when we allowed their Safeties to roam around without worry of a TE getting behind them last year.

If its just one play– like 3rd-and-short– it won't be as effective as giving Tebow the reins for the entire series. 

Why I feel this way cannot really be explained with examples or much logic.

Its just a gut sense that we need an orderly division-of-labor that anoints Orton the starter, but forces defenses to spend an extra day of preparation for the various Tebow package looks that may be coming their way.  And the fans might give Orton a break knowing that their ticket to Invesco will still allow them a few tantalizing glimpses of “the Tebow Thing” (which could certainly help morale if only be diluting the avalanche of boos' that would otherwise greet Orton's every mis-step).

Exactly what I said.

Hey!  I'm a zebra, not a pack-mule!

Haha damnnnnnnn son.

Orton a Pro-Bowler….LMFAO.

Haha damnnnnnnn son.

Orton a Pro-Bowler….LMFAO.