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Published on 04/08/2009 at Wed Apr 08 09:27.
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Daily Links – Still Trying to Shake that Drama

Posted Wed Apr 8th by

Kyle Orton thinks an offense first team suits him just fine.  [Denver Post]

Tony Moss from Seattle likes the Broncos taking Peria Jerry or Evander Hood with the #18 pick.  [Seattlepi.com]

Here’s your chance to be a Broncos Draft Pick.  [Colorado Springs Gazette]

Troy Aikman feels that Cutler was never McDaniels guy from day one.  [USA Today]

Fox Sports is carrying a story that Cutler didn’t want to play for Eric Mangini and blocked a trade sending him to Cleveland for Brady Quinn and another scenario with Washington involved in a three way deal.   Bus Cook has come out and denied it already.  [Fox Sports] [Cleveland.com]

Josh McDaniels says the Broncos can win with another QB.  [Boston Herald]

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  • milehighs

    alright josh mc.d. is going to make the broncos go 16-0.kyle orton is going to score 55 tuchdowns.throw for 5500 yards.break dan marinoe record.will have the 1rst rank deffence for years to come.jay cutler was lowsy qb.the broncos made him what he is.
    denver broncos win 4 superbowls in a row.become the best franchise in history.all becuase of mc.d.32 year old wonder.so does that mean im rank in the bronco blog gang.

  • milehighs

    doesnt that sound crazzy.

  • jcampb72

    One bad thing though about our line is culter made their stats inflated. He can run and gun. Orton is a pocket passer. I doubt our line does any better than 20 sacks, not being negative, being realistic.

  • jcampb72

    Whidbey- On James L. I don’t care too much about his 40 time. He plays with patience. Thats what we need, not Rey M. that overplays the play. I would rather see any other USC LB than Rey.

  • RHINO

    I agree Superfan. I think if Orton gets a chance to wear the C on his chest he’ll do it with some pride. If Jay wears the C for the bears it will only mean one thing, Coward, his scarlett letter.

  • buckeyebronc

    Jcamb72,

    Post 38 is exactly how I feel. If you take a step back and look at the team roster at the end of the season and now, I don’t see any improvement. So if they can go 8 and 8 with a so-so schedule, how are the going to be any better with the toughest schedule in the league. Dawkins will add some experience to the defense but he’s 35 and thats going to show playing with a weak D. All the others signings are raiders-esque. Give big contacts to junk players. I don’t think Nolan was a good hire either. Didn’t do shit with the 49ers and took over a Ravens defense that Marvin Lewis built. But by trading Cutler McDaniels did extend his career. How many years do you think he gets before a he needs to have a winning season? I’d say two, but Bowlen had his back, so he’s not going to want to look bad, might give a couple more years.

  • CJ

    RHINO
    That pure poetry Jay Cutler will always have that stamp right on his for head. Walked away from a franchise that wasn’t far from being great. As far as im concerned id rather have kyle Orton than that lil bitch.

  • jcampb72

    I wouldn’t.

  • NathanH

    I would.

  • RHINO

    For all you old school WWF fans. James Lauranitis dad was Animal from the Road Warriors.

  • broncoNM

    I dont think anyone would disagree that Cutler is talented and has upside. The problem is he is a young favre…He is a gunslinger that takes risks by throwing into tight windows, throwing into double coverage and ignoring his check downs for the “big play”…That is a great mentality for certain teams…Unfortunately this mind set would have not worked with McD. We can compare Orton and Cutler all day on paper but there is more to it. Cutler will run and improv and make plays all day…but he wont check down or find the open receiver on 3rd and 3. McD doesnt want a gunslinger that improv’s and makes his own plays. His system is based on making good decisions and finding the open receiver. McD wants a smart QB that plays by the rules…Shanahan let Jay air it out when ever he wanted and it worked alot and racked up a ton of yards but it caused crucial turnovers in game changing moments. Cutler is a better QB than Orton but Orton is a better fit than Cutler. That is why Brady is so damn good! He is a talented QB that makes smart decisions and plays by the rules. Cutler will have alot of yards, and TDs but just like favre he will have alot of INT’s as well. Thats why it would have been exciting if cutler would have conformed to this system…he would have been better for it…Cassel flourished because McD makes the QB position easier…You study the playbook and every play has a back up plan (dump off or open man)….This is why cassel will not be great in KC but would have worked here. Orton will be fine and believe it or not i think the broncos and bears will have similar records next yr. Jcamp i wont bet you because if they dont have similar records im going to forget i ever wrote this.

  • SuperfanDB

    The comparison between the player and Farve is a fair one. Farve was a very good quarterback but was fortunate to win one championship. Threw way too many picks and when he didn’t have a coach that could control him became downright dysfunctional. The player was not willing to hear that someone thought he needed to improve his game and that was not getting better. Superbowl history is full of great game managers in the right system that weren’t the most athletically gifted QB in the league. Maybe the answer is not Orton but it will be fun to see. I like our chances to improve the team if not our record. Next year’s schedule is so brutal I don’t think it matters who is under center. I’d take 9-7.

  • jcampb72

    People remember Farve and they will, mark my words, remember Cutler. No one is going to remember Orton. I really like a gunslinger, it makes the game that much more fun to watch. I am glad this whole ordeal is over and can’t wait for the draft. B.J., James L and Louis Delmas or Jackson, Cushing and Brace. or B.J. Moreno and Delmas.

  • DB

    Bronco–Well said. And McD wanting to bring Cassel in Denver would of made his job easier. He would of had a QB that he was comfortable with, and that knew the system. McD could of focused on a lot more other things than trying to make Cutler into his type of qaurterback.

  • jcampb72

    But we would have never got 2 1sts and a 3rd.

  • broncoNM

    jcamp- Your right i will wait till the draft to untimately place judgement on this trade. But my take is that McD was on the fence about Cutler from the beginning. Obviously Cutler has loads of talent but he didnt fit the style of QB that he wanted and he knew he could get great compensation for Cutler. I believe that McD probably had Cutler dangling hoping teams would bite and when he got caught he said some nice stuff to try and calm Cutler down but it didnt seem like he tried very hard to convince Cutler to stay. I think McD was fine with letting go of Cutler. Lets say that its true that a team needs a “franchise QB” to be successful…there are no specifications on what makes a franchise QB. Im not saying that Orton will lead us to the promise land but you need more than a rocket arm…No one can say that Cutler had the “it” factor that great QB’s have because he hasnt done anything yet. Im definitely not going to argue that favre wont be remembered because HE WILL but favre has as many super bowl rings as brad johnson, trent dilfer, and mark rypien. Having a geat QB will win games but a team can get the same results with a great coach and system that the players buy into. Many complain about us being the patriots of the west but the patriots do a lot of things right. They dont over pay players and they buy into the system and the focus of the team is based around winning. The patriots have players taking pay cuts so they can stay on the team and win…thats a pretty nice concept.

  • Broncoholic

    buckeyebronc: We haven’t even hit the draft yet and McD has vastly improved our D. Just look at our secondary. Goodman, Hill, Dawkins, Bailey>>>>>>>>Bly, McCree, Manual, Bailey. You cannot overstate how much better each of our 3 additions in our secondary are over who we fielded last year. Also, while some are not too high on Andra Davis at ILB he is a beast at stopping the run, another area we were atrocious at last year, which led to us having to put a safety in the box, which led to getting burnt by the pass. Ronald Fields is also a serviceable NT and will be good as a backup/rotational player. We also added Darrell Reid (a DT from Indy), these D Line additions cannot be worse than what we had last year.

    So before the draft has even arrived, in a year where we have more high picks than any year I can remember (2 #1’s & 5 picks 1-3), & in a draft year that most agree that we will focus primarily on D with the majority of our picks, how can you say we haven’t improved as a team from last year? The main reason we were 8-8 and missed the playoffs (yet again) was b/c our D sucked so bad. McD has taken huge steps to fix what was broken with out team and we still have 10 players to add in the draft, 5 on the first day. We will be a better overall team next year than we were last year, and you could argue that before we have even hit draft time that we already are. At least on D, we definitely are. The NFL did screw us with our schedule so I’m not sure how many wins that will transfer to. I’m optimistic that we surprise quite a few teams however.

    The multitude of high picks is going to be a great foundation to build upon, not to mention we already have a very solid young foundation built on O. Did e take a step backwards at QB? Yes. DId we simultaneously take 10 steps forward on D? Yes. Are we going to take more strides forward on D & O with the next 2 years of high picks? Yes. A Championship caliber team is being built right before our eyes!

    Start drinking the Kool-Aid boys, we’re gonna be all right!

  • http://ttmt.com T-Money

    Tom~

    That was the awesome. Made my night.

    Milehighs~

    Bash all you want. Say whatever you like. But be forewarned…When the broncos DON”T do anything that you say they will…and the DON”T suck. Everyone of us are going to ride you for it. You are entitled to your own opinion but just keep that in mind.

    As for the draft. I feel like we would be stupid to go offensive with either of the first two picks. However i wouldn’t be opposed to getting a speedy guy for SP if the timing is right because i don’t want eddie back there anymore.

    I think you guys will be surprised with Orton. I’m looking at it like this… Shany could take any running back and make him great (minus last year. 0 for 7). So I look at McD as the Shannahan or Quarterbacks. Just plug on in and watch the magic happen.

    Not to mention the fact that he’s got the best offensive line in football, one of the best (and the youngest) recieveing cores around him. Plus people like Stokley, Sheffler, Danial Gram, Jeb Putizer (who was a beast in his first stint with Denver), Jabar Gafney, and a fulry or running backs.

    The ONLY reasons that we won’t be a good team next year are the following:

    1. Failure to fix the Defense!
    2. Schedule

  • Broncoholic

    I think we are all being too short-sighted here. We have to rebuild an atrocious D and implement new systems on both sides of the ball. We also have a horrendous schedule for an 8-8 team last year. I think we all get too caught up in how are we going to do THIS season. Rebuilding a team to a SB Contender doesn’t happen overnight. Like my last post mentioned, we have already improved our D and our team will only get stronger come Apr 25th. We are headed in the right direction.

    In 3 years everybody will be saying that the Cutler trade is the main reason the Broncos are kicking everyone’s butt on the field. Will we have growing pains in 2009? For sure, but we are building a solid football team that will be good-great for the next decade. One that will hopefully get us some more Lombardi Trophy’s!

  • jcampb72

    You’re an optimist, I like that. I hope you’re right. Anything less than 8-8, 7-9 is not ok. Our schedule is no excuse. Think the steelers were feeling sorry for themselves with their hard schedule this last year? McD will get his head cut off, joking of course, if he steps into my house with a 6-10 record. I’m fing jonesin’ for draft day. I can’t wait!!!

  • jcampb72

    Furthermore, anything less than 2nd place in the division will be blasphemy!

  • jcampb72

    Broncoholic- It is known fact, at least in my house, that your chances are very high to win the superbowl with franchisesque QB. The most important position in Football is a QB. I just can’t see us winning the superbowl with a 2nd rate qb. It hardly ever happens.

  • Broncoholic

    I agree, Orton is not our franchise QB, nor will he ever be a franchise QB. That is an area we will need to address, either this or next year. However, we were not going to win a SB with Cutler and shitty D either. It is well known in my house that offense sells the tickets, but defense wins the game.

    We are in a great position to build a good to great D with all of the extra picks Cutler got us. Our O is also very young and talented. We are missing that Franchise QB, which while hard to find, isn’t impossible. I agree the QB is the single most important position on the field, but the team is what wins you games and championships. We have a great O, we are in the process of building a great D, hopefully we can find a QB good enough to take us all the way. I don’t believe you have to have the All-Star, Franchise QB to win it all (it certainly helps though!). You can win a SB with a good (but not great) solid QB as long as you have all the pieces of a Championship caliber team around him (Great D, Great O with a great system, solid ST). It’s all about a commitment to your teammates and a buy-in in the system. It’s getting your team to equal more than the addition of all it’s individual parts. That’s when you win championships. If we can raise our D up out of the ashes, we can win it all. I’m not saying this will happen next year, but it could within the next couple (2-4) of seasons.

    I’m sad to see Cutler go as well, but I’m tired of all the doom and gloom going on. The Cutler deal has put us in a position to build a great team. It’s not the end of the world, rather the beginning of a new chapter in the great book of the Broncos. We shall rise up again! We will not be overtaken by the lowly Faiders & Queefs! We will triumph over the cocky Bolts! We shall have every team looking up at us again as we reach the ultimate summit of sports! This will happen sooner than most realize!

  • flbronc

    here’s a question… and a serious one. how would you define a franchise qb?

    there’s a lot of talk about franchise qb’s around here. i’m reluctant to agree that orton can or cannot be a franchise qb until i know what people believe one is.

    is it a top 5 in qb rating
    top 10 in tds or yards
    do intangibles work in
    td/int ratio

    the truth is, we have no idea how orton will function in our new system- especially since we have not seen it yet. i think that orton has potential to step up his game dramatically and post some numbers that dwarf what he did in chicago’s conservitive and defense first game.

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805 WhidbeyBronco

    Ok Kool aid drinkers, can we stop claiming McD has done anything?!! Least of all already make our defense “ten times better” by signing some free agents!! How’d Belicheck’s other coordinators do? Until Josh does something right, I’m NOT on the band wagon!
    And I’m optimistic about Orton, (I have to be!) but his former team was so optimistic that they traded him, two first round picks and a third for one player. (and several other teams were considering as much) What does this say for the value EXPERTS around the league put on Cutler? The only folks bashing him are bitter fans like you idiots here!
    We can turn this around…(we already were but for a dozen injuries!!) But I’ll hold off on the koolaid until we do!!
    nothing worse than 8-8 will do Josh!
    Go Broncos!!!!

  • milehighs

    does mark sanches have a strong arm?

  • Broncoholic

    flbronc: That’s a good qeustion and I bet if you ask 10 different people you would get 10 different answers. I would define a Franchise QB as a QB who is among the elite QB’s in the league, yaer after year. Someone who’s team would retain them at all costs. A player who has shown year in and year out that they are one of the best QB’s in the NFL and that they are proven winners.

    I would say there are very few Franchise QB’s in the league. Definately Payton Manning and Tom Brady and probably Big Ben. Many would argue that Carson Palmer and McNabb are Franchise QB’s as well and I would say they are right there in the conversation, but definately a step below Manning and Brady.

    Then there are many who have the potential to be Franchise QB’s but I wouldn’t classify them as that yet. I would list Cutler in that catagory along with Romo, Rivers, Eli, and maybe even Ryan and Flacco if they can continue to perform at that level.

    Hands down Franchise QB’s though are very rare. If I was forced to make a strict list I would be selective and only say Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger.

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