Broncos are on Manning’s short list

Mr. Elway, PLEASE make this happen!  

 If its possible to have TT and Manning on the team then yes, would love to see Manning mentor TT for a few years.

Very excited about this. If he can play anywhere close to how he did before, he turns this team into an immediate Super Bowl contender. We have the receivers for him. We have a defense on the rise with big time impact players. We have a great coaching staff for him, and an outstanding fan base rooting for a team in a weak division. Its a perfect match.

It would be the best thing for the Broncos and Tebow no matter what they decide to do with Tebow.(Keep him under Manning to learn and be a utility player, tight end etc…)

I have mixed feelings on this. The Colts are my second favorite team (they are my dad’s team) and Manning was my favorite player for YEARS (except when he played the Broncos).

If they think they can make a serious SB run this year or next year I guess I’m all for it. We have the money to spend and bringing him in would also probably bring in Reggie Wayne and a couple of other good FA’s that wanted a ring.

I just hope that the next 10 years don’t get mortgaged away for the next 2 years.

oh and its been on NFL network and ESPN that Manning isnt interested in playing in Washington. and that he has already informed them he doesnt wanna play in Washington. so that leaves, according to this, Miami and Denver. and Miami doesnt have the running game or the offensive line we do. not even the receivers. Brandon Marshall is a headcase and would whine the first time Manning didnt throw it to him. Denver is the best fit. well technically Houston is the best fit but there hasnt been reports that Houston is even in play.

no worries here.

why because it doesnt proclaim Tebow to be the greatest QB since Elway? is that why they are so BS and SO unreliable?

yeah ive heard that too. ive also seen that Manning perfers the AFC to the NFC. and Manning would get killed behind that line in Arizona.

im not being a homer here when i say that we have the best to offer. a Pro Bowl LT in Clady, the number one running game in the NFL which is every QB’s best friend. DT looked better as the season went on, Decker started off hot but went downhill when Tebow got the call (not Deckers fault at all just no QB to throw to him) our rookie Te’s should be better this year once healthy and our defense should be even better with another strong draft and maybe a free agent or two. Miami doesnt offer what we do except warm weather during the season and Jake Long at LT.

We had the 2nd or 3rd worst rated run oline in the nfl. Our running game isn’t that good. It did well because of the scheme being ran and it won’t be very good next year with Manning behind center. 

The running game and defense in Miami is better. Wayne will likely follow Peyton where ever he goes so the WR group in Miami will be very strong. 

On top of that you have an offensive guy from GB running things in Miami now so he will really open things up the way Peyton likes to. They would be much more aggressive there than Fox is willing to be.

I’d be shocked if he doesn’t end up in Miami.

 I am a colts fan on a bronco blog for the pure and simple fact that the colts (IRSAY) screwed him over and John Elway knows his business he is after all one of the greats and did what most could only dream at the age he did it at…I would like to see Peyton go to a team that appreciates: A: his stature as a qb regardless of age and injury, B: as a mental genius at the position and for all these years I have watched him be great..C: I hope he goes to the broncos because they have all the pieces he needs to pick up without missing much a beat and I’m sorry but Tim Tebow needs to learn how to play the position right or he’s going to get injured severely..Tebow needs to learn to read defenses and to throw in the pocket..Only one person for that, Peyton so you bronco fans have a colts fans blessing as I would enjoy seeing him play there and mentor Tim Tebow..I like Tebow for his physical play but after you see a qb run head first into a defense as much as he does I actually cringe because I know he wont get up one a these days.Peyton will teach him to play smart and to be comfortable in the pocket, bronco fans should not be so quick to dump Tebow completely…A couple years under Manning and he may turn out to be one of the greats, he has great instinct and a great grasp for the game..Bench him yes but don’t lose faith in the guy, thats what the Colts did with manning, once Peyton helps him work out all those hurried bad decisions then he will be perfect and unlike peytons downside which is non mobility you will also have a qb mentored by Peyton that has mobility..Peyton makes up for his mobility with intelligence, I see Tebow being both provided they jump on manning so god speed bronco fans, I will be looking forward to tuning into broncos games with peyton at the helm

take tebow away and denver is not top running offense.you may not be a homer but you are a balk.

I just can’t believe I am reading these Manning in Denver comments. There is absoluetly NO WAY Manning is going to spend his final years playing in the outdoors in Denver.  None.  NO CHANCE.
And even if Manning were to somehow convince himself in a dream that it is sunny and 70 degrees in December and January, one look at his Denver receiving corp and front line will quickly wake him up.  Are you people nuts?

And one more thought concerning those that think Manning can “mentor” TT.  Can you point to anything about Manning that allows you to believe that somehow he will take anyone under his wings??

This guy is all about Manning.  He isn’t going to mentor anyone.

Thank you sirrr…. Yeah releasing Tebow would be a pr nightmare though I never did follow the whole Tebow mosh but when I saw him play I thought he was very solid, I actually enjoy a physical qb but just not to the point of watching him plow through like a rb..Any football fan would and should say that is a bad idea though John Madden probably watches film of Tebow daily because of it lol..I’d like to see him learn to take that positive yardage, slide and keep the momentum going dude cannot keep pace like that for years I mean unless he’s made of titanium.. so with all the research I’m doing to follow Peyton (Like Tebow fans I’m also a fanatical Manning fan so I have vested interest in where he will land) which is very hard to get through all the media hoopla and bias by many people who seem to be unwavering in their opinion that Tebow is the greatest thing and Peyton should never come here so avoiding yahoo I found searching under more pro bronco fan sites like this one to make me see exactly how the fan base feels to be more prudent..Too many people bash Manning because he has served them some very nasty defeats on pure qb play(all else including defense aside, Manning finds receivers under the worst pressure, throws accurately enough to hit a pinhead and gives everyone the ball..No receiver in the broncos locker room would be against this idea) and especially the afc so tough crowd…This site though seems like more realistic fans looking at the big picture so intrigue turned into support from me..Any fan base that would back Tebow yet admit that sitting him to support a Manning decision would be of best interest is a place where I would like to see my favorite player go…  Though many people I still see on other sites are saying no dont bring Manning in here to back up Tebow.. That being said I do have to remind people because if I know anything about pigskin then I know it from Indy and watching Peyton for the last 12 + years so I will tell passing bronco fans that Peyton Manning will never be anyones backup qb! A team that holds both Tebow and Manning would start Tebow of course at first but as soon as Peyton is comfortable with the system in denver then he will take the reigns (Peyton is the smartest qb in the league and he also is probably the most hard working mental player so it wouldn’t take very long for him to pick things up and flip flopping plays to make positive gains) 

You can’t get Peyton without him being a starter period he will not play otherwise and why should Peyton Manning take a backseat to anyone on any team….I like the positive energy going around the denver area over this, when I got passed all the haters that blog in a yahoo just because they hate the broncos and the idea of the broncos getting Manning(LOL I dont blame them for being afraid at that point, what a nightmare for the division rivals) is an absolute nightmare for Kansas City and San Diego especially… Chime in on this if you have anything to add please because I am in no way an expert on bronco football and would like to know anything that would be counterproductive for the bronco organization on a manning deal though it all seems very positive for me

 See, the thing is that any team with Manning is capable of going to the superbowl….. Even us!

The Colts were 12-4 in 2010. Then, with the same exact players, minus Manning, they went 2-14 and were kinda lucky to get those 2 wins.

Tell me any other team that was worse than that, because the proof is in the pudding…. Manning = 10 wins.

Now, take the Broncos. We were 4-12 with Orton in 2010, and finished 8-8 with Tebow last year. You put Manning in as QB, and it’s a minimum of 10 wins (10-6 record) and maybe up to 12 to 14 wins because apparently, our team without Manning is better than the Colts team without Manning, so it’s reasonable to assume that we would finish even better than 12-4 with Manning at the helm.

Yes, our defense has more holes to fill than a porn star, but the beauty of signing Manning is that we don’t have to give up any draft picks, so we can still build through the draft. The only potential problem with bringing in Manning is the whole “Tebow thing.”

What do we do with Tebow? I’m telling everyone, the fan base will be fractured yet again. Half the fans will want Tebow playing no matter what, and the other half will want Manning playing no matter what. If Tebow because of the schedule starts 3-3, half the fans will be chanting for Manning. If Manning starts the season 3-3, half the fans will be chanting for Tebow. I don’t think this team can survive the drama of having both Tebow and Manning on the team at the same time.

The Tebow genie has been let out of the bottle, and because of him, or in spite of him, we had a home playoff game, won that game because of Tebow’s arm against the statistically best defense in the NFL, and advanced to the 2nd round of the playoffs. That’s a hell of an improvement for the statistically worst team in the NFL over the previous 30+ games. Tebow took that same team (worst in NFL) and turned them into Division Champs (regardless of how we backed in or not), and won a playoff game for the 1st time since 2005, and only the 2nd time since Elway retired. That’s a hell of a meat grinder for Manning to step into if we have Tebow on our team. Manning would realistically have to deliver a Division Title, and advance us to the Conference Championship game at a minimum in order to silence the fans, and that’s a hell of a lot of pressure for anybody coming to a new team…. But if anyone can do it, Manning can. The problem is though, that I think we would have to get rid of Tebow, which is a huge gamble.  I’m torn on this. For the first time in a long time, I’m kinda glad I’m not the one making the decisions at Dove Valley.

 I should also say that I’m on the record for feeling the exact same about this situation as you do. I am deathly afraid that we ruin a long term solution (Tebow) to the QB position for a short term fix (Manning).

Will Tebow develop into a “franchise QB?” I don’t know, but I think that him having an entire offseason, entire training camp, and an entire preseason/regular season as being “the man” will go a long way in being able to say with 99% certainty whether or not he can be our long term solution at QB. By pulling the rug out from under him yet again will only push that evaluation that much further into the future, assuming he’d not get traded or refuse to resign with us when his rookie contract expires.

 I like your post, and, if this was a perfect world, I’d agree 100% with you.
However, this isn’t a perfect world, and because of that, I honestly don’t think that Manning and Tebow can co-exist on the same team. I’m not saying that because I don’t think Tebow and Manning would like each other and work great together, I’m saying that because I don’t think the fans will allow them to both be on the same team.

Lets face it, Tebow is the most polarizing player in probably the history of the NFL. There are fans who hate him because they just hate him. There are fans who love him because they just love him. Then there are the rest of us who logically want to see what he can do and what he can develop into before we say he can or can’t play.

Would Manning help Tebow in his development? ABSOLUTELY! You are 1 million percent correct when you say he would. See, Tebow has the physical aspect of the game down pat. It’s the intelligence/throwing/anticipation/reading defense portion that he needs to develop, and we all know that nobody is better at that than Manning. Tebow would learn from the best. Everything Manning is, is everything Tebow isn’t. Because of that yin/yang dichotomy, Tebow would theoretically learn more from having Manning on the team than he would from doing anything else on this planet, or learning from anyone else on this planet. Manning could singlehandedly turn Tebow into the most dominant and unstoppable QB this league has ever seen.

My only reservation is that both the blind Tebow lovers, and the blind Tebow haters won’t allow it to happen. I also think that the front office knows this as well, so they’d be inclined to trade Tebow. If they don’t trade Tebow, would Tebow be willing to sit on the bench for the next 2 years until his contract runs out, and then like Aaron Rodgers, re-sign with the team with only the team’s word that he’ll start as collateral? I’m not sure our front office has shown him that they are worthy of his trust in that situation. If they brought in Manning, this would be the 2nd year out of a possible 2 years (read 100% of the time) that this front office has told him that he was the guy, only to yank the rug out from under him. That doesn’t warrant any level of trust for the front office in Tebow’s eyes, and he’d be completely justified for refusing a contract extension with only the trust in the front office’s word as collateral.

In a perfect world, Manning would have already been here and been our QB when we drafted Tebow as a project QB. In that scenario, there would have never been any chants for Tebow to start. He would have been exactly like Aaron Rodgers….. A 1st round QB learning as he sits behind a future HOF QB.

 Amen brother.

 Read my 4th paragraph in response to VirginiaBronco a few posts above this one. I go a bit deeper in the work ethic/willing to be a better QB aspect, but mirror your basic philosophy. Smart man you are!

Thank you for informing me more on this, I definitely don’t know the details of the fan stance or split on Tebow and with what you said it sounds like it is majority fan base that would have a problem but I also would tend to agree that it wouldn’t be 100 percent right to bench Tebow unless he agreed to it…I just see the amount of potential for him in denver and for the denver organization to benefit from his expertise whether from a coach/mentor standpoint or a player… I would like to add that I have read newer posts and should mention that(tell me what you think on this) Manning in Indy has never had anyone of caliber to Mentor not in anyway the caliber that Tim Tebow is so people stating that he hasn’t successfully mentored anyone means nothing considering that he for 1. hasn’t had anyone in the qb position that had any kind of major talent to mentor, that is fact I saw it…2.he hadn’t missed a game in 13 seasons so how would he successfully mentor any qb when they saw no real play time besides the pre-season…Those comments seem just uneducated,  I mean someone should benefit from his experience and why shouldn’t it be Tebow who seems to have the capability to process the vast amount of knowledge he has to offer…I saw one post that struck me to which was after he retires he has the mental knowledge of the game to be a very very great coach offensively especially in the qb position…This is what I thought Indys plan was going to be because of his unprecedented ability so this decision to release him was wayy left field… I mean Peyton Mannings receivers run routes on call in a primarily no huddle offense while he changes the plays with hand signals more than I could ever count…He worked so much with his teamates on the field and on the sidelines virtually taking over the job of coaching the receiver core to run the routes he needed them to run at a moments notice so it seems to me that he has done quite a bit of mentoring of many many players, so just because a qb could not grasp what he had to offer in Indy why would people say he has no ability to mentor anyone? You seem to know what your talking about which is why I addressed those questions to you, Thanks!

Pete, Tebow and Manning are cut from two different pieces of cloth.  They don’t mesh.  Two completely different styles.  One, plays in the pocket his entire career, the other can’t wait to get out of the pocket. 

As you know I normally agree with your analysis however I find myself disagreeing with a lot of your points this time.

Our WR’s can’t catch.  Don’t matter who the QB is. They have to possess the basic talent of catching a football.  I do agree that Manning has the ability to make eveyone better but they still have to catch the football. 

Whether I am right or wrong about the talent in Denver is not even my main point.  My point is I can’t beleive Manning wants to spend the remaining years of his career playing on grass, in an outdoor stadium, where the temperatures and weather conditions late in the season can neutralize a passing attack not to mention make an aging QB miserable. 

I think Denver is getting used by the Manning PR machine to get the best deal he can. 

And Finally, as i posted earlier, there is absolutely no evidence that Manning is capable of mentoring anyone.  Certainly not TT. It makes absolutely no sense why Denver would keep a TT style QB on the bench to back up a precision pocket passer if he goes down.  They will find another QB as a back up and try to build the team around the Manning style. 

One more point that I haven’t read from anyone else.  I am having a real difficult time believing Elway wants Manning and his legacy in the town that Elway built.  Yes, I understand the two may be talking but this is Elway’s town.  Does he  really want Manning here?  You remember there were some questioning his loyalty to TT because of his late game heroics so if that is true, why would he want Manning?  I am just saying.

Another PR disaster for Denver.  

 Hopefully you read a post by me in a different thread that went on that same thought wave when it came to him being a mentor.

I stated that there was never any incentive for any of his backups to learn the offense, or really try to be a great QB, because, like you said, he is Peyton freaking Manning, and Peyton Manning just doesn’t miss games. If you have backups who don’t think they’ll ever see the field in their careers, then there isn’t much incentive to learn the how’s and why’s of what Manning does. Just because the backups didn’t want to learn doesn’t mean that Manning was unwilling to teach them.

Another ridiculous thing that I hear people say is that we don’t have the caliber of WR that it would take to land Manning. Umm… HELLO, McFly!!! Who exactly was Austin Collie? Who exactly was Pierre Garcon? Who exactly was Anthony Gonzalez (aside from a ridiculous “reach” when the Colts drafted him)? Manning turned those nobodies into household names. If he can do it with those guys, he can do it with anyone! Thomas is a legit #1 WR. Decker is a legit #2/borderline #1. Royal is cut from the same cloth as wes welker. Nobody will ever convince me that the talent at WR on the Broncos is less than the talent of Gonzo, Garcon, and Collie. Add in that Wayne and Dallas Clark appear to want to follow Manning to his new team, and we would have arguably the best combo of WR talent in the entire league!

I still worry about the Tebow aspect though. Could you think how pissed you would be if your boss told you he’s gonna promote you to manager, only to have him yank that rug out from under you and promote someone else? And then when that person gets fired and you fill in for him, he tells you that at the beginning of the new year, he’s gonna promote you officially to manager, only to have him yet again hire someone else? As a human being, that has to hurt. As a human being, that has to completely fracture your trust in your boss. As a man, that has to make you want to say “F you” to your boss. Because of that, if the Broncos actually keep Tebow, I can honestly see him saying and doing all the correct thing (as he always does), including learning and developing into a tremendous QB under Manning’s tutelage. I can also see him refusing to re-sign with us when Manning retires and Tebow is “ready” to set the NFL on fire. You know what? I wouldn’t blame him, because as a human being, I wouldn’t trust this front office as far as I could throw them. I’d tell them to take their empty promises and shove them up their asses. I’m thinking that the front office might know that that is a real possibility, and regardless of the fans, decide to trade him before they are faced with that very real situation.

I’m still very torn on whether or not the Broncos should sign Manning. I’m not sure how much longer Manning can play at a “Manning” level. I’d assume it’s a good 4-5 years, but you never know. When players hit that wall, they usually hit it hard. Is having a “short term fix” at QB worth possibly sacrificing the long term answer at QB? We all love playing GM on here, boldly proclaiming that we are smarter than everyone, and knowing exactly what to do and who to pick. Well, this is definitely one of those times where I’m really glad I’m not in the front office of the Broncos, as I really don’t know what they should do. Part of me is super excited because it’s Peyton Manning, but part of me is really afraid that we’ll see Tebow tear up the NFL in a different uniform for 10 years after Manning retires. I’d think that we could survive not signing Manning, but I’m not so sure we could survive watching Tebow treat the NFL like the SEC for the next 10+ years on a different team.