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Published on 11/08/2010 at Mon Nov 08 07:15.
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Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow look on from the bench during a 59-14 loss to the Oakland Raiders. (Photo by Justin Edmonds/Getty Images)

Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow look on from the bench during a 59-14 loss to the Oakland Raiders. (Photo by Justin Edmonds/Getty Images)

BroncoTalk is bringing you The Best of the West all week. We’re taking Broncos bloggers from all over the blogosphere and getting their opinions as Denver’s season reaches critical mass.

Here’s yesterday’s scenario and replies.

Today we talk what every Denver fan has talked about at one point this season– Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow, here is the question they were presented with:

  • Kyle Orton, you have to make a decision. Is it time for Tim Tebow or is this season still salvageable under Orton?

First up on the M.I.C. is BT’s own J. Kenneth K. A notable thespian, incredible t-shirt designer and quite the catch.

Is this a trick question? The answer is neither. I would love to see Tebow get some meaningful snaps this season, but do realize the move isn’t necessary. is the season still salvageable under Orton? No. For the fans out there “holding on to hope”, it’s time to let go folks. is keeping Orton at QB1 to take the mental/physical beatings the right move? Probably, but it’s way more fun saying, “Tebooowww Tiiiimmme”, like DJ Pauly D of the Jersey Shore says, “T-shirt tiiiiiiime”.

Not to be out done is Bryan Douglass of Broncos Stable and Fanball.com. He’s also the one that coined the term, “When you chase it it’s a sin, but when it falls in your lap it’s a blessing.”

MY OPINION: It is not necessarily “Tebow Time”, at least not as it would be defined by Joe BroncoFan or Woody Paige. It’s Tebow Time in the sense that you start formulating situations that allow you to evaluate his progress moving towards the more-popular definition of Tebow Time. I’ve seen enough of him on the goal line to understand the value. I’ve seen him in the short-yardage situation meant to throw the defense back a bit. I’ve seen that and I fail to understand what you learn by a continued focus on that approach. Get him out there for some throws. Put him in on first down. Let’s see what he has and don’t be afraid to do it in spurts if needed… it’s baby steps. That’s been the approach thus far and I have no problems with it.

(And don’t give me the “You’ll lose Orton and his interest” rebuttal please. The message of a one-year extension should have been loud and clear, and if it wasn’t, turn Neckbeard towards the last week of blogs and columns. That should clear things up.)

THE TRUTH: I’d like to simply type “Read Above” right here and call it good… I honestly believe Josh McDaniels will continue to push that same approach, I believe he and the management members of the team are dedicated to that approach, and while it may not seem like it based on the headlines of this week, I believe there is an organizational focus in place and that all members of that crew are on the same page.

Now we have my split personality and cohort over at The Orange Page Waylon Williams, quite possibly the only Broncos blogger with a journalism degree that isn’t currently employed by the Denver Broncos or The Denver Post. Also, a disclaimer, here in lies a Jake Plummer mention (but it wouldn’t be a Waylon post without it).

If I’m running this team, I have one plan and one plan only for the quarterback position in 2010. It’s called ‘Flip This Quarterback’.

I know that most folks are clamoring to get the Tebow era started now, so that Timmy will be a seasoned vet by next September. However, I think that’s a short-sighted strategy and completely ignores what will likely be our best bargaining chip on the trade market this off-season. With all of this team’s needs on the defensive line, secondary and backfield, do you really want to piss away Orton’s chances at a monster statistical season?

Look at how Denver handled things in 2006 with Jake Plummer. Despite his reputation for mistakes, Jake was a proven winner as a starting quarterback and he would have had tremendous value as a trading chip had the Broncos allowed him to play through the season as starter. At the time that Jake was pulled, the Broncs were very much in the playoff hunt and a starting quarterback with multiple playoff experience would have been a big chip in the off-season.

Instead, Denver sent a very clear message to the league that they were finished with The Snake. Not only did this hurt the team’s potential bargaining power, it also created doubts about Plummer’s value.

Despite these obstacles, Denver still could have flipped Plummer for a fourth rounder… If they hadn’t destroyed his will to play organized football by jerking him around as repayment for an AFC Championship appearance.

What did the Broncos gain with all that extra preparation for Jay Cutler? 7-9 in 2007. Whoopdeefreaking doo!

See, that’s the thing with young quarterbacks… It doesn’t matter if they have five extra garbage games or not. The great ones are going to find it when they step on that field. Cutler isn’t a great quarterback, and those extra games weren’t going to change a thing.

If Tebow is going to be great, the Broncos would be better off letting him master the offense from the sideline for a season. If he’s a gamer, he’ll overcome the inexperience. So much the better if we’re able to flip Orton for an extra weapon to help him out.

And finally I, Ian Henson, take my shot at this question. If you want some extra dirt on me (as I’ve aired out every other writer that’s contributed here). I am a Pisces. Which means that I am psychic. There, do with it what you must.

I woke up this morning with the NFL Network already playing; the show, “Top Ten Quarterbacks of the ’80′s” (spoiler alert!) John Elway #4. Watching the highlights they put together was inspiring, but introspective. Introspective in that we’ve been covering a player here as Broncos bloggers for under a year that is reminiscent of Elway.

Yes, I said it, no I am not going where you think I am with it.

McDaniels is a man, a small man, but a man– a man who will raise a boy; a boy who will fulfill McDaniels’ own dreams of being an NFL quarterback. That man is not Orton, that man is Tim Tebow.

That being said, no, for Denver to survive at all this season Orton must remain in place. To me there’s no such thing as playing out the season for the draft. Statistically, touchdown percentage wise there is only an increase in Kyle’s last few games. Yes, he’s choked during crisis time several times this season, but there are only a few quarterbacks in the NFL that I’d rather have starting for the Broncos at this point.

Now I know that’s not going to be a popular statement, but you saw Orton’s behavior this off-season, he’s got character, he signed his tender and showed up to practice. He embraced his leadership role and whether he’s playing for the Broncos or someone else he’s only here to do one thing and that’s play football. That’s a lot more than can be said for a lot of the players that were employed by the franchise under Mike Shanahan‘s watch.

I still haven’t given up on the passing record and I seriously doubt that Orton even cares, that’s why he’ll be good. That’s why you will see a resurgence in Denver following this bye week and that is why I predicted in the preseason that Orton would be in the Pro Bowl at the end of the year.

That’s it for Sunday, we should have a new round table for you every day through the week as the Broncos prepare for the Kansas City Chiefs. We also encourage your participation, what would you do if given the keys to the team?

  • kerry

    blah blah blah. this season is done and over. its time to give the kid the reps he needs for next season. this is a no brainer. DUH!! Bradford gets thrown in and the Rams are better then us, McCoy gets the ball in Cleveland and they have won more then us so lets get the kid some time. the season is over and done. we have absolutley nothing to play for except getting guys experience. then next year we gear up with having some high draft picks. we can trade Moreno too. he is no good. i dont care what any of you say. it isnt our O-line that is the problem. great RB's can make plays regardless and Moreno isnt that type of running back. yes our O-line needs some tinkering but our RB's are some of the worst in the NFL.

  • Darwin

    It is Tebow time! Give the guy some reps. Does anyone look at Orton and think this is the guy? He is great between the 20's but in the redzone he does not make the necessary plays to win. If Tebow is that far off then why did McDaniels draft him in the first round. How is he going to get better carrying a clipboard?

  • AtomicLeo

    Agree with kerry. The season is done. We looking at a lockout or a shortened season next year. His film study and practice will be shortened because of the labor dispute. The year after that? McDaniels may not even be here and the new coaches usually dump the old ones QB picks (see Arizona, Denver, Clevland, etc.) Tebow needs game time experience and we need to know if this kid is going to make it in the NFL. Start Tebow.

  • areferee

    What is being postulated here is the fantasy question: What to do with our team, now that it has been so badly damaged. Well, short of going back to the firing of Mike Shanahan in a time-machine and attempting to bring some foresight to Pat Bowlen that he is about to scuttle the vessel for years to come…if we can only fantasize in a forward trajectory…then I would suggest that we must dance to the only music we have.

    McDaniels has already stamped his image on this team and it will take a year or two of effort from a qualified head coach to correct things. Nothing of significance can be done to change the roster at this late stage, even with the introduction of a new administration.

    Tim Tebow should be played more, because you learn little sitting on the bench. Any talented player should play. That includes Kyle Orton. Like his being here or not, he is the man that has earned to be the starter. He has done everything that has been asked of him, and more, TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITY. What ails the Broncos is so extensive, it is not just the blame of the starting quarterback. It is the system and nearly every decision that has been made.

    The system can only be tweaked and the roster can not be changed to any great extent until the end of the season. The answer must come from within the team as it exists for the remainder of the season.

    There is no longer any reason to hold anything or anyone back. What do we have to lose? Nothing. But we can gain by finding out who has the heart and who doesn't. Who should be the starters and who should be sent down the road?

    Use Orton AND Tebow. Use Syd'Quan. Blitz. Gamble. Flick the frikkin' FLEA! Anything, EVERYTHING. There is nothing to lose but the dead weight. Find out who that is.

    If McDaniels and his system has any chance, he has to throw out his ego and his plan in lieu of the ability to get the most out of what he has. So far, all he has proven is his innate ability to put round pegs in square holes.

    As long as he is the orchestra leader, he will have to change the tune he is playing by using any and ALL of the musicians.

    Broncos fans are forgiving of everything except not giving your best.

  • TheTroglodyte

    As much as I want to see Tebow in the game to give me something to actually root for, it's been statistically proven it is better to keep a QB on the bench that needs development time.

    Then again Tebow is mentally tough enough to handle the bruising he will take from struggling which is what does in most rookie QB's, so let him freaking play!!!

    LaMichael James should be available in the 2nd round. Let's pick that kid up!

    Trade Moreno for a 4th as he is pretty much worthless. Of course the O-Line is severely hurting his chances to make plays but Kerry is right, a good running back will still make SOME plays. He will run over someone or make someone miss and turn a nothing play into a couple yard gain. And he will turn a couple yard gain into a 15 yard scamper. I have yet to see Moreno make ONE single WOW play.

    Why are we even talking about trading Orton? He is a great backup and that is exactly how every other team out there sees him too. I said since week 1 that everyone in the stadium knows where he is going to throw the ball because he locks onto his target and cannot scan the field.

    He also LOVES to run into a blitzing defender. I have never seen a QB move into the defense so often. Got forbid he actually break a hand tackle too.

    I respect the guy for being tough and trying but it's obvious he just doesn't have the physical or mental talent.

    While we're at it, can we get someone to stand on the sideline and shoot McD with a bb gun every time he tries to run the end around to DT?

    Yeah, let's quit running our prized first round pick on kickoffs too. Who in the hell puts a 6'3 guy on kickoff return duty, let alone one who is in training to be the #1 WR.

    Here is a novel idea, actually throw him some jump balls so he can develop for next year.

    And where the @#$! is Decker???? I know Gaffney is a nice guy but common, he isn't going to win any games for us (not that we are going to win any games anyways) so if McD would stop his man-crush on everything N.E. we might actually put together a decent offense for next year.

  • broncoman24

    I have never thought about the value of Orton if we bench him now and I think that is a good point. Tebow is not going to help us now and even though I would like to see him out there to see how far he is progressed, I believe it is a good idea to leave Orton in so we can trade him next yr. and get more value out of him. Although Moreno may not turn out to be a great RB, I do believe our running issues have to do with poor run-blocking o-line. So I would have to disagree with you on this. It doesn't matter how good of a RB you are, if you have a poor run-blocking you are not going anywhere (whether that is coming from our o-line coaches or the type of players we have drafted on the o-line). How can any RB do well when the defensive line is in your back field before you even get the ball.

  • jdkchem

    Are you for real? Contrary to your fantasy Shanahan was finished in Denver. You're crying because the coaches ego is a problem yet you fail to grasp that that is exactly the reason Shanahan was fired. Doesn't a coaches “plan” attempt to use the players he has to the best of their ability? Isn't Kyle Orton proof of that? What plan would you prefer to use? The Dan Reeves 2.5 yards and a cloud of dust plan?

  • areferee

    You're reading things into it that were never said. And no, I do not believe McDaniel's actions, taken as a whole, so warrant what you ascribe.

  • areferee

    You're reading things into it that were never said. And no, I do not believe McDaniel's actions, taken as a whole, so warrant what you ascribe.

  • Djlouiscide303

    In my opinion , we could have Elway back and it wouldnt matter. We can stop the run or the pass, plus we ha no running game at all. Its gonna take alot of things to right this broken ship.

  • 12508

    GET RID OF THE GM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I TOLD YOU PEOPLE BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED TO STOP DRINKING THE KOOL AID. AS LONG AS THIS GM IS PICKING PLAYERS WE ARE IN TROUBLE. HE CANT DRAFT AND IS EVEN WORSE IN THE FREE AGENT MARKET. XANDERS HAS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • kerry

    lol. what Value are you referring to? im curious. because Orton has no value. he is nothing more then a backup at best. maybe he can fetch a 6th rounder for us. maybe.

  • broncoman24

    Even that aside, it still doesn't merit putting Tebow in.

  • http://twitter.com/bpdouglass bpdouglass

    Pretty sure I don't want my coach making decisions today hoping he can trade Orton in a few months… its as simple as this. No matter what the bottom line is the same: you do what is best for the team in efforts to compete and win. If Orton isn't doing that and his play continues to draw criticism and accusation as an obstacle to that goal, you move on and hope the next guy doesn't.

    Of course, if you want to continue with conspiracy… wouldn't the locals grant more leash (and thus less complaint towards the organization) with Tebow behind center? Orton is what he is, you know what he is, and if you continue to lose with what he is then the voice of disdain only grows. So if you believe the organization will work to appease the fan, then isn't Tebow the answer from the perspective as well?

    My view… the recent report suggesting 2011 is “not guaranteed” for McDaniels was an attempt to do just that – asking the locals to endure and calm – without putting Tebow in there, and I believe its an attempt to stick to the plan.

    And at this point, a plan to get the QB right may be the only task I want to put in Josh's hands anyway…

  • anthony33

    I would like to see Tebow play now as well and use the next 8 games as an early preseason to 2011.

    I also agree that Moreno sucks… period.

    However, the Broncos biggest probelem (aside from their head coach and coaching staff) are the 12 people that make up the O-line and front 7 on D. Bowlen needs to go get Bill McCartney. He understands this better than anybody He should brought in as President or at the very least, have complete control of rebuilding this team from the ground up. Similar to what Parcells is doing with Miami and what Holmgren is doing with Cleveland.

    Imagine the 50% solution (the 12 guys up front) being great with Tebow leading the team. YOOOOOWWWWW

  • anthony33

    I would like to see Tebow play now as well and use the next 8 games as an early preseason to 2011.

    I also agree that Moreno sucks… period.

    However, the Broncos biggest probelem (aside from their head coach and coaching staff) are the 12 people that make up the O-line and front 7 on D. Bowlen needs to go get Bill McCartney. He understands this better than anybody He should brought in as President or at the very least, have complete control of rebuilding this team from the ground up. Similar to what Parcells is doing with Miami and what Holmgren is doing with Cleveland.

    Imagine the 50% solution (the 12 guys up front) being great with Tebow leading the team. YOOOOOWWWWW