Broncos Taking Calls on Marshall

All ya all are showing your lack of football intellengence ! It would nice to see denver get 6 wins but that a big gamble there. Ortin will almost defentley go down in week 3 and sims is a joke.Hate to say it the bears are playoff bound.

I dont hate the Bears, I dont hate Cutler... Do you I think Cutler is Intelligent? No.... I hope for the best Broncos love I love them as my team ... I'm hoping I lose just so I dont have to respond to your comments anymore ...

You can talk about RB's , WR's , the LINE ... it all starts with the QB and based on 3 years of what I've seen from Cutler ... I know when the game is on the line , or when the team needs the next score ... he'll make the wrong decison. Cutler's football IQ isnt even on the same level as Phillip Rivers , maybe athletically more but lacks in intelligence.

Lets see how the season plays out... Im done talking about this

Dee:

gotcha. basically you dont care to countermand my argument with an argument of your own. you just blindly follow the Broncos regardless of what they do and hate the Bears because Cutler is there. gotcha.

Kerry

Do you actually read my comments or do you skim over them? I didnt deny Cutler's or Marshall's talent ...what I said is they are both dumb as bricks .... dont worry about quoting me stats and forecasts I'm not really interested ...we'll see what happens...

if the Bears miss the playoff's Im sure you'll take credit for predicting that as well, seeing how you're never wrong about anything ... god you typed up an essay pratically... dont waste so much energy man ... I really dont care.

Dee:

the Broncos win the West??!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. come on man. put the kool-aid down. seriously. and no i dont have a man crush on Cutler, but i refuse to bash on the guy simply because he plays for a different team now. thats the only reason you and most bash on him now. you cant deny his talent, you cant deny he is the reason we went 8-8, and you cant deny the guy is a damn good QB. if you are gonna bash then bash because the guy is a bad QB, but dont bash because he isnt here anymore. i mean if Marshall is traded then are you gonna bash on Marhsall all the time? yeah probably.

and the Bears may very well win the North this year. Matt Forte was a 1,200 yard, 9 TD RB last year WITH that bad line and no QB. so Cutler having a RB will take pressure off of him from having to throw it 80% percent of the time. so i think that kills your 20+ INT prediction. the Bears had the number 5 rushing defense last year WITHOUT a healthy Tommie Harris, who is healthy now. Cutler has Earl Bennett to throw to who played with Cutler at Vandy, so that chemistry is already in place. Devin Heater had 600 yards receiving with a shitty QB. who happens to play for us now. and the Bears have their first round pick Chris Williams, who was a first round pick, coming back healthy along with Orlando Pace, who is healthy. the Bears line is better then last year.

OC Bronco

I have faith in Cutler's lack of intelligence ... He wont last the season behind that line .... the DA BEARS go down in FLAMES ... Orton and McD laugh as the split of a bottle of JD.

I see da bears at 7-9 to 9-7.

Here's to Cutler leaving Mile High on a stretcher in August. Nothing career ending mind you, just a nice little season ending broken hand or ankle to wreck their season. Top 5 pick would be sweeeeet.

Dee you are nuts. Vegas has the Bears over/under at 8.5 and if you take the over you're laying 35 cents on the dollar.

And if you think that it will come down to the last game that makes it an even worse bet. Detriot? Come on!

I hope you're right. I would love to see Cutler go down in flames this season but you're either betting with your heart or you don't like posting on this site very much. Maybe both. I will be happy when Chicago misses the playoffs despite whatever win total they have.

Chicago's Schedule

Sep 13 CHI @ GB Lambeau Field LOSS

Sep 20 PIT @ CHI Soldier Field LOSS

Sep 27 CHI @ SEA Qwest Field LOSS

Oct 04 DET @ CHI Soldier Field WIN

Bye

Oct 18 CHI @ ATL Georgia Dome LOSS

Oct 25 CHI @ CIN Paul Brown Stadium WIN

Nov 01 CLE @ CHI Soldier Field WIN

Nov 08 ARI @ CHI Soldier Field LOSS

Nov 12 CHI @ SF Candlestick Park WIN

Nov 22 PHI @ CHI Soldier Field LOSS

Nov 29 CHI @ MIN Metrodome LOSS

Dec 06 STL @ CHI Soldier Field WIN

Dec 13 GB @ CHI Soldier Field LOSS

Dec 20 CHI @ BAL M&T Bank Stadium LOSS

Dec 28 MIN @ CHI Soldier Field LOSS

Jan 03 CHI @ DET Ford Field ???



All this can be altered if my boy Jarvis Moss breaks Cutler's neck in the preseason game in Denver ... Jarvis needs to send a message and do something to make the team .. ending Cutler's career should be a good start to get into Mc'D's good graces ...

(Of course I really dont want Cutler's neck to break, but maybe if we could see him cry on TV after a hit ... that would really make the season)

According to my forecast it all boils down to week 17 ,

Kerry

I know you have man-crush on Cutler (yes I went there, the gloves are off) but get real ... he's dumb as a brick, I predict 20+ interceptions ... and a possible mental breakdown by mid-season ...

Roshon2411 ... I know what I'm up against ... I just dont think Cutler is a winner, he won't have the receivers he had last year , and I dont think Chicago's aging defense is anything that scares teams anymore.

Kerry , I'll one up you ... I say the Broncos win the AFC WEST ... If I'm right I become instantly a BT Legend, if you win BT readers will have to put up with your negativity for another season ...

Wow Dee,

Five wins really? Remember they play Detriot twice and have Bengals, Browns, 49ers, Rams and Seahawks. To be honest, looking at their schedule they might have 6 wins by week 9.

actually Dee it may not "rage" until week 17 at all. if the Bears start 6-0 then i win. but i dont think they will start 6-0.

Mr. Me

It should be interesting for sure, the battle between the Autobots and Decepticons will rage until up until week 17 .... When one shall fall!

i heard mcnairs 20-year-old girl friend murdered him then suisided herself cuz he was gonna brake up w/ her cuz his fam... just what i heard

awesome! BT you should really keep an eye on the bears and broncos now! LOL two BT commenters r @ stake! this is awesome! HAHAHAHA
let the battle begin!!
(can't wait even more 4 this season)
gosh if kerry leaves no more classic kerry! the hater man
and if dee leaves man thats dee hes like classic BT follower!

haha, kerry and dee, you have just made next season even more entertaining!
cant wait to get this silly season over with!

Kerry

Trust me , If I lose I'll be gone....

Dee:

ok its a deal. and if you lose then no showing up under another name or any of that shit. and ill do the same. its permanent banishment. and we have witnesses. lol.

kerry { 07.03.09 at Fri Jul 03 17:52 })

Dee:

ill make a bet with you. if the Bears win more then five games, you never post here again. if they win 5 or less ill never post here again. deal?



Deal.

kerry -- LOL

since everyone whines and pisses and moans that i never post anything positive, here is funny article i found:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/210229-the-ultimate-denver-is-doomed-article

haha kerry no i used 2 write 4 BM but then i stopped so i took of the link then i figured heck i still like BM so i put it back haha i also wrote/am gonna write 4 BZ too
so yea idk

you all are some crappy fans talking about your team this way you dont deserve to wear blue and orange no matter what they do or what happens true fans are there watching every game supporting their team and if you are such experts then why aren't you guys doing their job huh why arent you getting paid the big bucks to draft sign and all the stuff they do so shut up and support your team

bamf= bad a$$ mutha F'ers

Hansen, the difference is they both had bamf's as QBs.

yeah McNair was the man. this came as a shock no doubt.

Star receivers are the results of many people getting him there .

what a shame. i always liked McNair. good QB, league MVP and a stand up guy. any more details? all its saying is he was shot.

Wow, Steve McNair was killed?

RIP Steve McNair

Kerry,

Shanny's going to make the hall of fame. He won two SB's. He will get in. Yeah they were with Elway but Lombardi had Bart Starr, Knoll had Bradshaw, Walsh had Montana, Jimmy Johnson had Aikman. Great coaches have great QB's. Besides Shanny won a SB without Elway(OC in San Fran). How many SB's did Elway win w/o Shanny? Yeah he was 24-24 the last 3 years and it might have been time for a change.. You add the 2005 year in he was 37-27 in 4 years. The guy average 10+ wins a year with Denver, 9+ after Elway. He'll get in the HOF. Maybe not a first ballot, we all know there is a bias against Denver out there.

JChase,

You rip on Marshall for only having 13 TD's the last two years like that makes him a bum. He was only Tied for 16th among WR's and T17 the year before. I can understand why he'd be pissed when 50+ Wideouts make more money them him. You know who else had 6 rec TD's last year, guys like Steve Smith and Reggie Wayne. I wonder if their fans question if their true #1's? I also understand your point the scoring is the most important stat, and it is, but another important stat is 1st Downs. He's been in the top 5 in 1st Down catches/Pct% the last two year as well. The guy moves the chains. He is clearly a number one receiver. If anyone needs to score more td's it's the RB's. That is where this o-line needs to improve. Overall this line improved greatly b/t 2007 and 2008 with their pass protection, going from 32 sacks in 07 to 12. But they only had 15 TD's rushing last year and 10 the year before. It's a top 10 line but not top 5.

Anthony,

Your right Orton probably will have better stats than last year. And I hope so, one 300 yard passing game and 2,900 yards in pass happy league isn't going to cut it, and Cutler's not going to have the same numbers he had last year. But the one stat that Orton has over Cutler is the W-L stat. Question is do you think, Orton will have a better record this year? I think will find out real early.

Jaws Chestnut vs. Kobiashi

I say "Jaws" brings home the title once again to the USA with 70 dogs.

Happy 4th.

Say all you want about Orton vs. Cutler. No doubt Cutler has a better arm and more pure athletic talent. I also wish the Bronx could have resolved that mess. However, I would be willing to bet that Orton has a better year than he had last year and Cutler has a worse year than last year. The key is if McD can truly implement his system effectively.
Remember, Shanahan turned Plummer into a decent quarterback, with the best stats of his career, in his system. Same thing with several running backs that all looked like all-stars with us then went to other teams to never be heard from again. I’m not saying Cutler isn’t good, I just think we’ll see a different Cutler in Chicago then what we saw here.

Yeah - so back to Marshall please. They should sit on him for this year unless they are overwhelmed with a trade offer, like a 1st rounder and a serviceable WR, which you have to figure is probably worth the trade then. But to be completely honest, what are we all in love with? A repeat offender with a track record that projects to future arrest and NFL suspension. A guy who ranks in the top five the last two years in drops. A guy who career yds per catch average is 13. A guy whose never caught more than 7 td's in one year. A guy who fumbled the ball 3x the last two years. And like it was said above, is not a deep ball threat. Not to mention his off-field mishaps outside of DUI's and women-beating, forearm injury/the catalyst of the crap that led to the New Year's murder of D-Will, what are we SOOOO in love with? He is a talent, but at what risk to the team? A big risk I think.

My final thought comes to, if a team is stupidest enough to offer a 1st rounder and a player, or a quality starting defensive lineman and a 3rd, then they need to turn the page on this guy and make him someone else's problem. Just think at what we could do with two #1's next year. I'd rather have a quality DL for this year of course. Yes we'd have an even bigger drop off this year but with this system we just need someone who can consistently catch the ball and move chains. I don't think McD is going to be a big fan of Marshall's bubble screen catches that he reverses field on forgetting about his blockers, runs 50 yds east-west to pick up 5yds in hopes of the big play, instead of running up field and picking up 8-10 with simply his physical strength, that's if he stays of course. Let's just make a f*****g decision already on this guy, someone make a move and put this crap to bed.

sorry about that...your site, say whatever you want.

kyle...you're absolutely right that Orton does not have better stats than Cutler, except in the W/L column. That of course could be attributed to the rest of the players(defense, ST etc.) on the team as well. Cutler will win chicago some games with his unbelievable amazing cannon, but he will lose just as many making some bonehead play and forcing things. i'm not happy he is gone, but do you HAVE to mention him in every comment you make?

Happy 4th of July Bronco Fans. And God bless our Armed Forces.

Orton does not have better stats than Cutler.

If you look at orton he has better stats then cutler and he will listen to coaches instead of risking interceptions 17 interceptions in three years not good but diffently not bad so if bmarsh wants to cry like to and cj then let him but dont let him go for somthing cheap especially when the only good player coming outta college this next year is TBo but if anyone knows he wont be a good qb in the nfl the only one really to pull off a duel threat besides mcnabb in his early years is vick but as for Bmarsh he needs so quit crying and just do his job

I find that the Hall Of Fame talk kind of amusing when regarding Cutler and Marshall. As anyone rightfully knows that youv'e a snow balls chance in hell of getting in to the Hall if you play in Denver . Ask Shannon, Randy, Terrell, ect ect.

i agree with Kerry on something! weird. the Bears should win at least 9 games this season.

All:
Did we have a #1 receiver during our two SBs? I distinctly recall Rod saying "whats a number 1 receiver?" So do you think he was a #1? Or did we have two unselfish talented receivers with Rod and Ed (both of whom caught the ball and ran forward)? What won those SBs was an O-line opening holes for TD. Did NE have a #1 during their SBs? I dont think they did. Then they got Moss but lost. Yes having talented receivers is important but teams have won without a #1.

I want BMarsh to stick around as long as he has a better attitude and stays out of trouble. But if he doesn't then I offer this question to the forum: Is he worth a stud DT, or close to it? If he IS, then who? IF he is gone, then what do you want: Draft picks or a player(s)?

Jon.

no i dont hate anyone. your top post your name was in black, how is it in orange now? is that only for the hardcore koolaid drinking broncos fans?? J/K

kerry,
lol u hate ppl dont u! haha jk - i hang loose and joke (dont get all over me 4 that) no i dont not like scheff cuz he doens't say the broncos will make it happen w/ j mcdonalds and horton (LOL) i dont think things will go 2 great this year (idk tho) idk i just dont care for scheff i guess i take it back, hes a good reporter and is often right on... sooo... i just had a "dont like him moment" ok wit that?

Dee:

ill make a bet with you. if the Bears win more then five games, you never post here again. if they win 5 or less ill never post here again. deal?

Kerry, I didn't and don't like the trading of Cutler. I never said that. I have said give Orton a chance. I agree with you, a franchise QB is the most pivotal position on the field and the hardest to find. We don't have one in Orton, I don't think. Lets see what kind of magic McD can conjure with neck beard.

And if anyone worried about Brandon Marshalls "numbers" declining...what numbers are we talking about. The only numbers that are remotely "great" are his number of catches (terrible receptions per target percentage though) and his YAC. His YAC numbers shouldn't decline, because that is on him, not as much the QB. His number of receptions will decline, but his production AKA scoring may very well be higher. This is an adaptive offense with coaches that are willing toake adjustments to the gameplan, which is the basis of my theory that his catches decline, but his production and efficiency are inclining.

You guys...can you please take a look at more than just the number of catches Marshall had? He isn't a deep threat, his yards per catch ranks somewhere around 30th in the league, and his scoring numbers are average to below average. He was thrown to FAR more than any other receiver in the NFL (taking receptions away from other OPEN receivers) , but still didn't have the most catches. He is a posession receiver more than a true #1.

IMO people look at the number of catches and label him great, without looking at the Rest of the facts. The only reason the defenses played him as a number 1 receiver is that they knew Cutler would forcefeed him balls no matter what scheme they were in.

Don't be blinded by the popularity contest that is the pro-bowl ballot. He has a mountain of upside, and I want him on my team, but him leaving is not the end of the world.

Now comes my weekly argument starter...I have read here how Marshall's numbers will drop drastically this year with our waste of oxygen QB. While I don't think Kyle Orton is going to be the savior of the team as some do, I also don't believe him to be a terrible QB either. He is an accurate passer up to about 20-25 yards, and is good at finding the open man. If he is willing to find the open man, and spread the ball around, defenses will be reluctant to double cover Marshall. Since he isn't really a deep threeat anyway, he should still get a lot of balls inside 20 yards against single coverage. He gets good separation out of his breaks, so against man coverage, he will be a difficult cover. He won't score on a lot of big plays, but let's face it, he only has 13TDs in his 2 1/2 seasons of boy wonder throwing to him. How much of a difference can there really be?

I wouldnt trade Bmarsh till his contract was up

I question whether Cutler and or Marshall are hall of famers ... potential is nice, but lets deal with reality ...cutler is not taking the Bears anywhere .. I predict they finish 5-11 .. book it. As for Marshall if he doesnt end up in Jail or robbing the local liqour store because apparently hes broke now .... he'll remain with the Broncos unless we get a 1st and 3rd for him...

ASK YOURSELVES THIS: If BMARSH was on the Redskins and wanted out due to money , knowing all you know about him .... and his history ... would you trade for him and his "potential" ?

justin:

Shanahan got fired because this team went 24-24 the last 3 years and because Shanny won ONE playoff game in ten years. he got fired because his act got stale and his play calling was so predictable. it was time for a change. and Shanny isnt a hall of fame coach. he needs to win the big game WITHOUT John Elway. and he hasnt done that.

jcampb72:

we traded Cutler but we werent screwed then, but if we trade Marshall we are now screwed? yeah ok. you know whats even harder? drafting a franchise QB.

Yeah, its defientely premature, ill admit that. But they both made it to the pro bowl. And how long have theyve been in the NFL? Ummmmmmmmmm, teag they have potential. And also Shanahan beinf fired. Im just sayin. Does Pat Bowlen wants this team to suck? When has any team ever given up 3 potential hall of famers in ONE off season? This is outrageous!!

While it's premature to call any of them Hall of Famers (especially given the Broncos' luck in that dept), it's clear that both Cutler and Marshall have Hall of Fame potential. And I wanted to give Shanny one more year.

I hope BMarsh stays.

I should have probably said somethin sooner but ive waited. Im 31 years old and been a bronco fan all my life. But what kind of team gets rid of a hall of fame coach that brought 2 super bowls to our city (Mike Shanahan). And get rid of a hall of famer quarterback, and hes young at that (Cutler). And now will get rid of a (if the right opportunity arises) another hall of famer ( Brandon Marshall). Whats goin on on the inside. The team is self imploding!! Explain this, isnt a coinsadence. Three hall of famers left or are leaving!!

I am tired of changes. But if this has to happen let it happen. As a Broncos fan all I want is to go to the super bowl. It was screwed what happened with cutler. and now with Bmarsh its all crap. Mcd needs to sit one year to see whats happens with him maybe Bmarsh will settle down. Look what happened with CJ with the bengals. And maybe just maybe McD wont tear a team apart after 1 or 2 years every 1 or 2 years trying to make a super bowl team like shanahan

I hope BMARSH gets arrested... that would be the best conclusion to this entire situation.

well said to everyone. wtf kind of supposedly "proud" franchise loses both pro-bowlers because they demand trades. if pro-bowl players dont want to play on the broncos, we might as well move to oakland and change the team name to the gayders.

seriously tho who do we have besides royal??? gaffney, stokley..?? thats messed up we coulda been so good with competent management. now we gotta draft receivers and wait three years for them to develop. were not winning shit anytime soon

If we trade Bmarsh we are screwed big time. Does anyone realize how hard it is to draft a true #1 reciever? Give him a new contract and stop fing around. Note to McD, don't let your arogance blind you. You had tom brady you twit.

We better be listening to offers!... GMX/McD should be listening to offers and making calls. This player publicly asked for a trade... I agree with andpark i think BMarsh will be a bronco this year. But there are teams in search of a physical WR. See what they have to offer. If BMarsh wants a trade than we might as well listen to what every interested team has to offer.

josh mcdaniels is screwin things up
give brandon a new contract or somethin so he will stay hes our only best offensive player

Another educated comment from MILE HIGHS, congratulations!

I WANT MY FUCKING QB AND WR STUPID ASS FUCKER.WHAT A JOKE THE BRONCOS HAVE BECOME.BOWLEN GIVE THE BRONCOS FRANCHISE AWAY TO MIKE SHANNAHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

While Orton may not have the god given physical tools as some other QB's, one thing has to be commended: his work ethic. If you read any blog about who is always at the Broncos facility, one of the few names that always comes up is Orton. Kudos to him for that.

As far as listening to trades, McD said from the very begining that he would (just like every other team) listen to offers that could potentially make this team better. If that means moving a disgruntled reciever for another player or picks, so be it.

1. Well duh we are listening to offers. Although I don't see Marshall leaving now.

2. Great long weekend argument, who you got Orton or Plummer?

Plummer was more mobile. had that sweet 'stache and dated a Broncos Cheerleader or_

Orton who hopefully will be more accurate, less cool neck beard and chick is not a Broncos cheerleader?

Plummer still wins but here's hoping Orton can be decent and on target.

Well, if Schefter did in fact run Plummer out of town, then all I have to say is... thanks!!

Jon:

why you sick of Schefter? because he is reporting actual news? or because he isnt writing fluff pieces about the Broncos alleged greatness with MCDaniels and Kyle Orton?

Let's see what kind of trouble Bmarsh can get in over the holiday weekend.

dude im sick of schefter i almost hate him ( not hate, hate, just really dont like) he ran Plummer out of town hes a pain and annoying but dude he must have some good sources!

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. I'm to the point where i just want an answer. Not anymore build up.