Are the Broncos a Dark Horse after RG3?

I agree. It would be too risky.

  No way!!!!   The Broncos need to many players other places to do that now.   In a year if things don’t go well with Tebow, I think it becomes a possibility but not now.

There’s a reason why we are 25 on the draft board this year compared to 2 last year. Not cause we need a QB.

Denver is selecting #25 but reality is #13 (without the miracles). John may believe RG3 is amasing but just loves Matthew.
Now John may trade with Jacksonville and take Ryan, IF his pro-day is great with the foot.

hmm what does that say exactly? if you are suggesting that Andrew Luck would suck if he was chosen second then you need help. what if John Elway had been picked second? would ha have sucked then instead of becoming what he did? NOT A CHANCE. stop making excuses for Tebow. RG3 is five times the QB Tebow is and he hasnt even played a dwon in the NFL. Griffen wont need to be taught how to throw the ball.

um yeah the reason wasnt because of Tebow either. and yes this team does need a QB. MArion Barber doesnt run out of bounds and we are 7-9 and picking higher. dont sit here and act like Tebow was the reason we went to the playoffs. a lousy division mixed with a much improved defense and the number one running game was the reason. Tebows lack of mechanics and inability to read defenses held this team back, not helped them move forward. we went 8-8 with Kyle Orton once, are you suggesting we had no need for a QB then?

with that being said moving up fir RG3 would be a mistake, NOT because we are set at QN, but because we have too many other holes. another QB can be had like Weeden, Tannehill, Foles or Osweiler. all of whom are more NFL ready then Tebow will ever be. Weber even would be a better choice. all teams have to do is make Tebow be a QB and he fails.

put aside the rose colored glasses for a second. you think we can win a SB with Tebow?

I dont believe excuses are being made. We have to many other holes to fill to be giving up the house for one player. Of the Broncos are one player away from winning it all then I could see doing something but we’re not so we need to stick to the plan and keep building.

The reason why this doesn’t make sense is twofold..
#1 RG3 might bust out of the NFL ala Ryan Leaf when the “should Manning or Leaf go #1?” debate raged in the late 90’s. Remember, both those QBs were “sure fire future 1st ballot HOF QBs” coming out of college, and for everyone saying Manning was the guy, there was another saying Leaf was the guy…. Just like there is now with Luck and RG3. I’m not saying that either will be a bust, but there is no such thing as a “sure fire” pick. We see Tebow’s work ethic and desire to improve at this level. We know he isn’t a bust and can compete/win in this league. We don’t know if either Luck or RG3 will be able to compete or win (although I’m sure both will be amazing players). Will Luck and/or RG3 be better than Tebow? Maybe, and I’m ok with that, the reason why is that …….

#2 If Tebow ISN’T the answer, then instead of having to mortgage away our future (2-3 first round picks to move up and maybe Tebow thrown in as well), we’ll have a top 2-3 pick in next years draft, which as all drafts prove, will have 1-2 “franchise, as close to a sure thing as you can get” QBs in it. If Tebow isn’t the answer, we’ll be in position to draft our “QB of the future” without having to trade away anything. Just think of the defensive talent that we can draft with the draft picks we DON’T have to give away to get our franchise QB. If Tebow turns out to be our QB of the future, then we are in amazing shape as an organization.

Because of those 2 things, it makes about as much sense to draft a QB high as it does to play Russian Roulette by yourself. Draft the defense this year, and if Tebow isn’t the answer, then our record will reflect that and we’ll be drafting #1-3 next year, in which case, we can get our “QB of the future.” If Tebow does pan out, then we saved ourselves the embarrassment of letting him go, as well as 2 or 3 1st round draft picks which can instead be used to better bolster our team.

GO BRONCOS!!!!!!

Think we can win a superbowl with the team as it stands right now (minus free agents), only subbing in RG3 for Tebow? We’d have to give up this years 1st and probably the next 2 years worth of 1st round picks to get RG3.
This team is WAYYY closer to the Superbowl by having Tebow and those 3 potential 1st round picks being used for players on our team than we are by getting RG3 and having those future players playing on someone else’s team.

If we draft a QB any higher than the 5th, it’s a complete and utter EPIC FAIL by our front office.
Don’t read into that as me saying that Tebow is the guy (I hope he is, cause that means that we don’t have to use a draft pick on a QB for the next 10+ years). The reason why I say it’s an epic fail is because, why spend a #2 or #3 pick this year on a QB that isn’t a “franchise QB” coming out of college when if Tebow isn’t the guy, you get your “as close to a sure-fire bet as there is in the draft franchise QB” next year when we pick #1-3 overall?

If we get a QB, why waste a high pick on a mediocre QB with an even higher percentage of failing that most QBs, when in 1 years time, we can have the “franchise QB” if Tebow fails? Use all our high picks on defense and a RB. Save the QB position for the very end. If Tebow is our answer, we don’t have to worry about it. If he isn’t, then we pick up our QB next year with our #1 overall draft pick. Either way, we end up with our franchise QB, and a better defense. Picking a QB this year only means our defense is 1 more year further from decency, and we still have a QB (or 2) on our team that has a high probability of being a bust.

I see where you’re coming from, but don’t think Tebow will be just good enough to keep us picking in the dreaded “Shanahan’s Broncos post Elway Era” where we always seemed to pick between 18-24 or so.

While I agree that we can’t settle for picks in that range, what’s even more unsettling than “mediocrity” is believing that you truly are “1 player away” because you routinely pick in that range. Shanahan was the absolute master at the art of making the fans, owner, and players believe that the Broncos truly were “1 player away.” When you are continuously making the playoffs, or winning the division, or playing for the division/playoffs come week 17, it is dangerously logical to believe that 1 player might be all it takes to get you over the proverbial hump.

I see  Tebow in a different light though. I see him as a boom or bust (don’t read that he is/will be a “bust”). What I mean is I see the Broncos going 10-6+ or 3-13 or worse with him. It all comes down to his growth from last year to this year. He either can be the dominant force he was in college, or he’ll get exposed, especially with a #1 schedule.

This will be his 3rd year in the league. Even though he didn’t start for all 3 years, which would have been optimal, year 3 is typically the year when “things really start to come together” for a QB. This is also his 1st real offseason, which is another built in “factor” when trying to gauge his growth. Typically you want 3 full offseasons as the starter, along with 3 full training camps, and 3 full preseasons as the starter by the time you lace them up to begin your 3rd year… Tebow will have his 1st. Again, not an “excuse”, but more-so a “reason” why he has the potential to not be as good as most hope.

Through it all though, the rubber has to hit the road. If Tebow plays great, the team will win the division. If Tebow play ok, we’ll probably finish 6-10 or worse (because of our schedule, which means ok QB play = bad record; whereas last year, ok QB play = division champ). If Tebow is just bad, as we’ve all seen him be from time to time, we’ll get burried this coming year, and we can go out and spend our #1-3 overall pick on whoever the hot QB is next year.

Remember, at this time last year, nobody heard of RG3. It was all “will Luck declare” and “wow, he’s going back to school. I guess he’s the no brainer next year with no competition.” Then, out of nowhere, RG3 explodes onto the scene. I mention that to keep everyone’s perspective when they assume we’d get Jones or Barkley. I can almost guarantee you, or at least give you a guarantee with the same odds as Luck and RG3 being perrenial pro-bowl QBs that the #1 QB next year probably won’t be Jones or Barkley. It’s almost never the guy peope expect it to be more than a year out with rare exception.

So I say we sit tight, see how Tebow works out, and go from there. Atlanta gave up on Favre. The Packers almost did as well because he looked so bad. The Bucs gave up on Steve Young.I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, we can afford to lose with Tebow this year, however, we can not afford to cut/trade him and watch him set the NFL on fire for another team, the way that Favre and Young did. If we lose with Tebow, we just draft a franchise QB next year… However, if we replace him before he’s had the courtesy of a full year as our starter, and he sets the league on fire, that will be every bit as devastating to our team as it was for the Chargers way back when they drafted Ryan Leaf. Dark clouds like that take a decade to get out from under.

If Griffin or Luck fell to 7-10 then I’d be all over this.  Moving up to there would be possible and not crazy but there’s no way that either will get past 2.  However, for some strange reason I think I’d be happier if we were talking about moving to 2 for Andrew Luck.  Even though I haven’t seen either of them play.

BUT moving up to 2 isn’t going to happen.

 I agree.  We have too many other needs and RG3 is a good kid, but he is too risky. 

 Merrill?  Is that you? 

I really like Tebow but just like a lot of people I still have my doubts with his passing game. It seems the Broncos FO just can’t get behind him 100% either and they’ve been public with this which is a disaster waiting to happen. Either they stand behind Tebow 100% or they should make a huge move like getting RG3 who I personally love. Last I heard it will take about 2 1st rounders and a 3rd and 5th to get the #2 pick. If we could Trade Tebow for a 1st rounder this year (we might have to throw in a 4th rd also) that would give us our 2 1st rd we need. So basically we have to ask ourselves is RG3 worth 2 1st rd picks along with a 3rd,4th,5th and with the multiple teams wanting this pick we might have to give up our 2nd rd also. The good news is we could get this done without giving up any picks in future drafts but the bad news is we would be giving up most of this years draft on 1 player. Initially I say no to this because that’s too much to give for 1 player especially with all the holes we need to fill elsewhere. Although I would be on board with this if we are very active in free acency and get a decent CB,DT,MLB,RB.
     

The Broncos need 2 defensive tackes, a corner and a runningback. Then they need a couple offensive lineman. I hope they try to resign Peyton Hillis. That would fill the runningback need. You must build your O and D lines first. Tebow will improve this offseason. Denver will then need to draft Receivers and a middle and outside Lineback next year.

Remember, it took 3 1st round picks for the chargers to move up and get Ryan Leaf. It isn’t as much the draft position (#2 in 1st round) as it is the player expected to be chosen at any given position. With the hype surrounding RG3, and with the new rookie salary cap, taking a chance on those high picks is less damaging cap wise if they don’t work out.

Because of that, you start at 3 1st round picks and go from there. It took 3 to get Leaf in an era with no rookie cap. Now with the rookie cap, it might take 3 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks. It might take 4 1st round picks. Who knows. The browns will at a minimum have to give up their 2 1st round picks, one of which is #3 or 4 overall… If we wanted any chance to get into that #2 slot, we’d have to give up at a minimum Tebow + 3 1st round picks, including our 1st round pick this year. That is just too high a price for anybody. Those picks are too valuable to us because of the holes on this team (which you stated).

Not wanting to burst your bubble, because I too would love Hillis to come back, but I’m 99% sure that I read an interview with him last year where he said that Denver was a great part of his career, but he’s moved on, and Cleveland was where he wanted to be. I’m not sure if he was saying that as a way to butter up the Browns or if he meant it, but that kinda makes me think that we have no shot at bringing him back unless we bust the bank on him (which we won’t do for a RB with injury concerns).

AMEN!!!!

Not just yes but HELL yes!!!

Man what a cool deal that would be! I’m afraid to even think that it would be possible, any time I get my hopes up for something like this it never happens.

But it is cool to hope for it none-the-less…

Huh? Did I miss something here? I don’t get it!

Well as much as I’d love this it isn’t going to happen. We simply don’t have the juice to get it done and it will cost WAY more than we have to offer.

It was and is a fun thought but it will Never happen!!!

 There’s an RG3 or Andrew Luck coming out of college every year. I swear, we can all set our clocks to the yearly “This is a once in a decade QB” talk from Keiper, McShay, et al.

Believe you me, if we draft top 3 next year, we’ll get a QB who all the scouts think is BETTER than RG3. There’s one in every class, and each year, everyone playing every position gets bigger, stronger, faster, and more intelligent. This year isn’t the exception to any rule, it’s the standard.

Who Barkley? One of the southern Tylers? Landry Jones? HA… NO!

There isn’t one in every draft, I agree with you that the scouts and annalists try to make it seem so but that doesn’t make it true. Remember Gabbert was NFL ready, Clausen was NFL ready… BS!

Last year the jeffed up Cam and it was accurate. I think RG3 is Cam status or better and Luck is/will be 10 fold to Stafford.

Nope there isnt one of “these” guys in every draft at all. They are above the standard for sure.

 The point is that we don’t know. They hyped up Gabbert, Clauses, Young, Leinart, etc… Guess what? There were a lot of teams that wanted to bet the farm on those guys, and look how all of them turned out.

This year is no different than all those other QBs in all those other drafts. Will RG3 be amazing? Maybe yes, maybe no. Nobody knows until he plays. Same with Luck. That is why we need to stay put and not mortgage the future for either of these guys.

Remember, Peyton Manning was 1a, Ryan Leaf 1b. Both were “can’t miss”. only 1 of them turned out to be worthy of their lofty pick. Again, I’m not saying RG3 or Luck will be Ryan Leaf, what I’m saying is that you don’t know anymore than I do if both of them will be great, busts, or average.

Also, why says Barkley, Jones, Tylers’ etc… will be the “elite of the elite QB in the draft” at this point next year. NOBODY thought RG3 would be going #2 overall at this point last year. Most of the time the “elite of the draft class QB” isn’t the person it’s expected to be the year before. Sure, Luck was the same, and Manning was the same, but other than those 2 (over a 13 year span), who was accurately projected and consequently taken #1 overall more than a year out?

I said it before, and I’ll say it again, Do NOT mortgage our future for a qb coming out of college. There is no such thing as a “sure thing.” If Tebow isn’t the answer, then we’ll just draft the QB of the future next year with our NATURAL pick. Hell, that QB or Tebow might be BETTER than RG3. *BLASPHEMER* you say… *RYAN LEAF* I say. There is no such thing as a sure thing. You give up 3 or 4 1st round picks for Peyton Manning year 5 of his career when he’s due his 1st contract extension. You don’t mortgage your future for someone who hasn’t played a down in the NFL. It’s just too risky.

Wouldn’t it suck to be the team who gives up 3 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks to get David Carr, only to have Carson Palmer come out the next year? Especially when you now can’t get Palmer because you just spent the money on the #1 overall pick who sucks? I don’t want us to be that team. I don’t want us giving up 3-4 years worth of 1st round picks for an unknown commodity which, as history shows, has a better chance of being a complete failure than a stud.