Broncos Still Can’t Figure Out the Patriots Tight End Duo, Lose in Divisional Round – Denver 10, New England 45

I was just digesting what could’ve slowed down that barrage tonight.  Only thing might have been a healthy Dawkins and a corner better than Goodman.  Maybe a solid other safety?

That was ugly, not much to get excited about other than, ??  uh,  at least we knocked the steelers out!!  

Seriously though , in over their heads tonight. Out played at nearly every position, both sides of the ball, and coaching also, congrats to the patriots, they look unstoppable to me!

Well now the debate will begin again, Tebow ball or no Tebow ball? A   lot of wishes were granted  when Tebow was brought in to start in week 6, “let’s see what the kid can do” and “We need to see if Tebow is the future” ? 

What a polarizing person? Love him or hate him Tebow is a winner and a fighter in my estimation!  I believe if surrounded by the right talent Tebow has the Right Stuff to Lead to winning seasons  and even more Division championships will come?

I know that surrounding any QB with the right talent can help any QB to succeed, and win, but I have seen Tebow elevate his game and lead his teammates to elevate their game as well! That is not a common trait that many QB’s possess? 

 As for our needs for the future, Defense Defense and more Defense!
To be able to shut down teams with a stifling front line and smothering secondary is the ultimate in my eyes!

What a fun season to be a Bronco fan! Thanks for the ride!

No not really, just would’ve liked to see a better option or adjustment for shutting down the tight ends.  Go old school like we did against the Chiefs and use Bailey as a TE lockdown.

Tough to really analyze this team.  So many extreme ups and downs it hard to figure out what’s real.  I think to a certain extent that they were understandably a little too satisfied with last weeks win.  Right after the game the talk was all congratulatory and high fives.  Not one word about moving on the the next level.  

In the end they are probably exactly what their record says, an average team. That’s okay as it’s much better than a year ago.

They still need another 2-3 very good drafts to get to the next level and hopefully Tebow will really develop over the off season.  You can say they need help at almost every position and not be far off.

All in all it was a fun ride and sooooo much better than the past 5 years.  Things we be different next year as expectations will rise.  With Elway at the helm I think they’ll be up for the challenge!!

Thanks Broncs!

First off we didn’t clean up and slow them down in the 4th qtr, make no bones about it they called off the dogs and slowed themselves down. It was a practice session for them and that was clear with the way their play calling changed and was less aggressive. I for one thought while I was watching that it was nice for they way they did that and would not have had disdain for them to keep playing as they have to move forward.

This is NOT the kind of football I want to see for the next 10 years. Its frustrating and hard to watch… 1st down run play, 1st down run play, 1st down run play. If we can call it from our own couches all other teams can as well. If TT can not develop into an NFL QB (he is for sure not at this point) then we need to move on. That is not to say I don’t like him, I do.

He also needs to decide if you wants to be an NFL QB or if he wants to be a good will ambassador. I fully applaud what he does with these disabled kids and it really choked me up a little for what it is BUT there has to be separation with it. He says that is more important than playing football and it probably is… BUT you get to be Tom Brady by being Tom Brady and thats what I want from our QB, especially before the game!!! I’ve heard it time after time and it is 100% true – To be a completely successful NFL QB you have to be ALL in, not 1/2 in or 3/4 in ALL in and I don’t think he is. 100% all in.

NOW moving forward to the draft… I 100% feel that we need to draft a QB in the first round and move up to get one if need be… Tebow lovers – don’t start whining just so fast here, think about it for a second… He needs to have 100% hard first rate competition or he will not get better. If he is not pushed he will still get a little better but will not do what simple viable competition will. I was lucky when I coached HS football to have a couple different times I had a really good freshman to push my QB’s and TT NEEDS a really good freshman to push him, period!!!

The rest of the draft has to be concentrated on DEFENSE, especially DB’s, period. Maybe a LB and a DT in there but mostly on DB’s. Most of the DB’s we have have got to go and not just to special teams I mean have to go, cut flat out. Another set of rookies can do what those clowns do. And if Goodman even goes into another training camp here I might boycott him out on the streets…lol.

Sorry I have to disagree, the fight was exactly what Shannon Sharpe called it… Classless! And as good a guy as Von Miller seems to be I think a public apology is in order. He started that and it was not even close to the play. I understand frustration, for sure, but I also think Von is a better dude than that!!!

NO you are wrong, I think he was looking around for him as well. Brady isn’t a jerk at all… He is exactly what I want our QB to be… 100% all in and a true NFL QB. He looked for him and Tim looked for him, they are both the opposite of what you say. Class guys for sure!

Well said!  I disagree with your draft strategy.  I would not concentrate on defense in the draft.  There are plenty of holes to fill on both sides of the ball.  Also some of the defensive holes will need to be filled through free agency.  I would not be surprised at all if Tebow was traded either.

Yep jd I have to agree that some of it can be filled through FA… And while I also agree we have holes on the Offense I think the defense is hurting worse. Bad in the secondary, just cant say that enough. I like how you disagree however, thank you, I respect that.

I don’t think TT will get traded, he is here at least through next year I would think. Personally I wish him the best but wouldn’t mind watching from afar. Of course you will now get called a hater for even suggesting it “might” happen…lol.

Hansen you may be right, we may not have enough “juice” to move up but it “needs” to be a consideration, I have to agree with what was brought out on the other thread – There just isn’t enough “juice” in free agency at QB either.

However, as much as I’d like to see us draft a QB in the 1st, if we cant it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if we went for a guy like Stephon Gilmore and went QB in the second.

BUT our 1st round pick HAS to do one of 2 things in my opinion… Push the hell out of Tebow OR start at DB. That simple!

An ugly loss. My thoughts at the end of the season

Coaching: John Fox deserves COY consideration. If you had told anyone that the Broncos would be 8-8, division winners and win a playoff game after the 4-12 disaster last year they would have laughed themselves silly. He took one of the worst teams in the league without any offseason work outs and turned them into a 0.500 team, managed one of the nastiest QB situations the league has seen and still kept the locker room together. Hats off to Allen and McCoy. Allen coached the best defense Denver has seen in years. McCoy scrapped a traditional NFL offense and completely rebuilt the offense on the fly and kept team teams guessing for almost two months while Tebow learned on the job. I hope other NFL teams who are looking for head coaches stay far far away from both of these guys, because we need the continuity.

Offense: Mcghee was the best FA signing since Dawkins. He was the offensive MVP and was still popping off long runs last night. The WR  core is O.K. but we have no deep threat now that Lloyd is gone. The T.E.s are promising, but did not contribute as much as people thought they would. The O-line came together and played well most the season. Their run blocking is some of the best in the league, but passing blocking especially Franklin on Tebow’s blind side needs a lot of work. Beadles needs to go to the bench. He is only effective at the second level when he pulls. Terrible at the point of attack. 

Defense: The key to the win streak was a defense that created pressure on the QB using Miller on one side and Elvis on the other. Against average and poor QBs this pressure resulted in turnovers and excellent field position, but against better QBs who can react well to the blitz (Rodgers, Brady, Hassleback, etc.) the second level in the defense was exposed as a slow and inexperienced unit. When Miller broke his thumb that left Elvis as the only serious sack threat. Reports this morning that Elvis was hurt last night. I don’t know what we we can do at safety. Two draft picks from last year have not worked out as planned and I would hate to see more picks spent this year. We need help here badly. Don’t get me started on MLB. It’s been a hole since Wilson retired and I do not see a solution on the current roster.

Special Teams: Overall very happy with this unit. Best I’ve seen in a long time. Better than any unit Shanahan put on the field. Other than the FUBAR NE game, they all played well all season. A good sign that the second and third string guys are NFL caliber players although they may not be starters.

Tebow, Tebow, Tebow: I have no idea what we have in this guy. I don’t like a completion percentage south of 50. I don’t like that he struggles to make reads quickly and deliver the ball quickly. He has a beautiful long ball throw, but the teams that didn’t blitz him showed that he can’t throw into tight windows. When the opposing team does not blitz it takes away the other type of pass he does well, the screen pass. He has earned the right to be the starter next year, but the FO would be foolish to not draft a QB this year for two reasons. Tebow’s hard style of play increases the risk of injury. Ask Indy how important the second string QB is, and if Tebow isn’t the guy, waiting until year three to start ‘your guy’ in a five year rebuilding plan is not going to work. I have my doubts how much coaching can fix his problems.

Poor bum dude…lol.

Not all first round QB’s are 3-4 year projects though. I think TT is more than a 3-4 year project and your right we will have that one still next year.

Trog, really, David Carr??? That made me sad on two levels. 1. David Carr – he couldn’t push his grandma in a QB competition. 2. That you, The Trogger, would actually want a dude like that any where near our practice facility…lol.

There are enough QB’s in this draft that moving up to get would push TT walking in the door!

People said the Pats gave the NFL the blueprint on how to beat the Broncos after the first matchup and then we lit up the vaunted Steelers defense.  Each game and matchup is different.  There is no “blueprint”.

This last paragraph was spot on and very well stated.

McGhee might be the offensive equal FA pick up to Dawkins! Now if we could some how get Ed Reed…lol. Nice post Leo!

TT didn’t play great, but I seem to remember dropped passes and pressure in his face all game. Even if he played well, and even if our rushing game could have gotten going like it did in the first meeting, we still lose that game. Outside of Luck and an upside QB in RG3, there is no top tier QB to be had in the first round, so why trade up or take one. D is still a work in progress, we have little line depth on either side of the ball, we need more depth in the backfield, we need another impact receiver and or a true TE target. QB should be addressed in the 3rd round or later, there are good prospects there that would not require a reach, or a trade up for someone that we probably won’t get. The word is the Skins and Browns covet RG3 and want to get to no.2 to get him. Initial thoughts are you take the Julio Jones deal, and add on to it. That is 5+ draft picks to move up 2-4 spots respectively. Denver picks in the mid 20s, maybe 25, so what does it take for them to get that high? Ryan Tannenhill is a one yearn starter who we would be stupid to trade up for. Lets remember that this team overachieved this year, that the QB switch was beneficial. I will end with this though, TT has 16 starts now, one playoff win and no true offseason to develop. Lets see where he goes from here, bring in depth and plan for the future (if he doesn’t build on this season), but lets not panic. The last thing I want is a deal where you use 2 high draft picks on a bust QB when you have a lot of other areas to build (Oakland anybody?)

Thanks 2011 Broncos for making it fun this year! Go Broncos

There is some talk that Ed is going to retire, if Lewis does too that Ravens team is going to look really different.

+2 SK and Doom. It’s no secret that QB’s need to brought in through either the draft, FA or trades. Outside of Matt Flynn (who will cost alot of cash), the FA QB pool is pretty weak. I’d take a look at Jason Campbell (the Raider who got lost amidst his injury and bringing Palmer in).

Drafting a QB is OK, but I think that it will likely turn into a project QB, and we already have one of those.

I say we go after defense in the early rounds of the draft. A defensive tackle and secondary. There are also some good ones to be had in FA.

Gonna root for The Kube and Wado today.  Once a Bronco, almost always OK* in my eyes.

(* a few notable exceptions…6-15-and Romanowski, for instance.)

TT didn’t play great, but I seem to remember dropped passes and pressure in his face all game. Even if he played well, and even if our rushing game could have gotten going like it did in the first meeting, we still lose that game. 

Outside of Luck and an upside QB in RG3, there is no top tier QB to be had in the first round, so why trade up or take on? D is still a work in progress, we have little line depth on either side of the ball, we need more depth in the backfield, we need another impact receiver and or a true TE target. QB should be addressed in the 3rd round or later, there are good prospects there that would not require a reach, or a trade up for someone that we probably won’t get. The word is the Skins and Browns covet RG3 and want to get to no.2 to get him. Initial thoughts are they need to take the Julio Jones deal, and add on to it. That is 5+ draft picks (2 first rounders) to move up 2-4 spots respectively. Denver picks in the mid 20s, maybe 25, so what does it take for them to get that high? We should not trade up. Ryan Tannenhill is a one year starter who we would be stupid to trade up for. Lets remember that this team overachieved this year, that the QB switch was beneficial. I will end with this though, TT has 16 starts now, one playoff win and no true offseason to develop. Lets see where he goes from here, bring in depth and plan for the future (if he doesn’t build on this season), but lets not panic. The last thing I want is a deal where you use 2 high draft picks on a bust QB when you have a lot of other areas to build (Oakland anybody?)Thanks 2011 Broncos for making it fun this year! Go Broncos

Why do you post the same thing 3 times in a row???

damn disqus!

I got ya Bryan… Like I said I wouldn’t mind drafting Stephon Gilmore first or if there Dre Kirkpatrick. I like Gilmore for his size and aggressiveness. At his size its odd to have great run suport AND cover skills, not to mention his return skills. I like this guy a bunch.

If you’ve been here a while you may remember that I wasn’t thrilled at picking a CB (Petersen) first and that high in the draft but at this spot I will be the guy that preaches CB till the pick is made.

If of course we don’t go QB…lol.

Yeah I know what you mean with those guys, I knew it with out even reading that… And I think you miss my point of pushing TT. He needs competition and not BS competition either serious contend for the job competition. TT isn’t 100% in when he consistently says other things are more important. You don’t get to be great in the NFL by say other things are more important. They are, for sure, but with in “it”.

Sorry… I don’t dislike the guy but I just don’t think I will ever think he is the future for the Broncos, I want more than he can give at the position. I just do not understand how all you peeps think that Tebow Ball is exciting and the way to go. Really! You like that crap? Its exactly why I don’t watch collage football any more!

I don’t, in my heart, think he will EVER carry a 60% completion ratio. I know I know there are drops, thats as annoying as hearing the whole hater routine, ALL QB’s have dropped balls so STOP with that already. But I do respect you dudes that do think he is our future. However blinded you are ;-).
(yes the last part is funning you)

I’ve been a daily reader since Shanny was axed. Haven’t posted much tho.

Kirkpatrick would be a solid pick..I kinda liked Minnifield and Janoris Jenkins (if the due can stay out of trouble). Also liked the SS at Bama..Barron I think his name was.

I’ll probably get hollered at, but I wouldn’t mind…in fact I would encourage it, bringing Peyton Hillis back.

haha well I HATE Tebow ball. Denver’s offense doesn’t look anything like Florida’s and if anything McCoy is hurting the offense and stunting the growth of Tebow.

That option quit working 4 weeks ago and they are still sticking with it. 

People seem to have a problem with Tebow separating football from life and using it as a stage to bring awareness to people.

I don’t. Look Tom Brady wants to run and screw supermodels and make babies after the game. I’m fine with that.

Tebow wants to go make 1 person who has had it rough, feel really special. I’m fine with that too.

Screwing Super Models and helping people are both more important than football lol 

And as long as when Tebow is at practice and in the game that is where his head is at, and I think it is, that’s great.

I doubt anyone puts in more work time into improving his game than Tebow does.

I’d much rather have Tebow who is just keeping it real than a guy like Sanchez or Freeman who says all the right football things but really doesn’t walk the talk.

Tebow doesn’t talk it, he just walks it.

All that being said, I’m not claiming Tebow is the future. I like the guy and hope he is. 

But I just feel like we need to be focusing more on defense and depth than trying to play around with another rookie QB this year.

My god, if we trade up it’s like setting ourselves back another year on depth and the odds are we get a QB that isn’t worth anything. 

If Mark Sanchez can take the Jets to back to back AFC Championship games than Tebow will certainly be good enough next year to make the Broncos playoff bound once again.

Well that’s my two cents anyways. Now let’s just hope at least one of us is right because if we are both wrong, we’re screwed! haha!