Daily Links: Jags to interview Broncos’ McCoy

They can have him, let them take Tebow too!

Uh I’ll take ‘NO’ for $500 Bob… I say let’em go as well but I got 5 clamerito’s that says they wont touch the guy and why would they? I’m surprised they are even talking to him…

1. The WR’s are not getting open very well either and part of that is due to the lack of imagination in the routes and the lack of running Royal on slants or using him in any way that even slightly resembles a slot WR.

2. The game plan was just as unimaginative under Orton. I never liked Orton as a QB. His downsides far outweight his upside but the fact is, when Lloyd wasn’t in the game, Orton rarely had open targets either.

Lloyd either made spectacular catches or he drew double coverage leaving Decker open.

3. We traded Lloyd for peanuts and it has really hurt what little passing game we could have mustered up. I tried to look on the bright side of that trade but dammit hear we are in the playoffs and our #1 wr wouldn’t even be a #2 on most of the other teams in the league. 

4. Please don’t try to turn this around as excuses for Tebow. It has nothing to do with Tebow. While I would love to see Tebow get it together over the offseason and come back as a much improved product next year because I like the cut of the man’s jib off the field, I am certainly not attached to him being on our field. 

The offensive coaches are not getting it done period, and that fault lies primarily with the man in charge of the offense, McCoy.

Look at Matt Flynn in GB as an example. Sure the kid has talent BUT he isn’t THAT good. He is playing without his #1 wr and yet is throwing to WIDE OPEN wr’s all game long. Hell I could have thrown for 4 TD’s that game. 

Also look at Carolina Panthers O-Coord Rob Chudzinski! The man is in Cleveland and he turns Derek Anderson into a PRO BOWLER! DEREK FREAKING ANDERSON!

He goes to SD and Philip Rivers is an absolute stud. He leaves SD and suddenly Philip Rivers isn’t very good!

He is in Carolina coaching up a rookie QB that played ONE YEAR of ball under one of the most limited playbooks EVER assembled at an SEC school and he makes him into a rock star while at the same time increasing the output of a 30 yr old WR!

What the hell has McCoy done other than create plays I use to draw up as a 12 year old on the first PC Madden game before it even had graphics!

haha sorry, I just needed to get that out :)

Look at Denver Broncos Coach Mike McCoy!  The man was in Carolina and he turned Jake Delhomme into a PRO BOWLER!  JAKE FREAKING DELHOMME!

He leaves Carolina and all of a sudden, Delhomme isn’t very good!  

He is in Denver coaching up a horribly scouted, inexperienced QB in the middle of a lost season and turns him into a player that barely misses the pro bowl while at the same time turning Bey Bey Thomas into one of the most productive WR’s in the entire league over the same period.  Not only that, he is the architect of the most powerful rushing offense in the nation, and its not even close.  Lets hire him!

Everything is relative.  

I support Tebow.  I am  NOT a Tebow fanatic.  I care more about the team than I ever will for any particular player.  IMHO, that’s what its all about.
1)  That being said, #1 would hamper any offensive coordinator.  How many people were lining up to call Bill Bellichick an offensive mastermind in Cleveland when he had nothing to work with.  (Obviously, I’m not comparing Mike McCoy and Belichick, just pointing out that I DO think talent has a lot more to do with this than people think.)

2) Game plans may have something to do with receivers being ‘open’ (in itself a very subjective term), but other factors like route running and quarterback audibles/looking off safeties are at least as important, and probably more so.  Again, if receivers are not open, do people blame the coaches or the players?

3) Blame Elway or whoever.  Not McCoy’s fault

4) It has a hell of a lot to do with Tebow.  My position on him is based on what I think is best for this team.  I certainly hope he can develop, but what I have seen makes me nervous.  Tebow has regressed noticeably in the last 3 games.  He looks less sure in the pocket, which messes up his footwork (which was weak to begin with).  His release actually looks pretty good, but his decision-making has definitely gotten worse.  I think this has less to do with Tebow and more to do with the fact that defenses have more tape on him.  the KC game made clear that defensive coordinators are telling their secondary corps to stick on their assignments when Tebow leaves the pocket.  This closes off the passes that Tebow WAS making during broken plays for big gains (the pass to D. Thomas at Minnesota comes to mind) and forces him to run for less gain.  Not good.  Tebow has not shown himself to be capable of making consistent throws into the tight windows that are customary in the NFL.  This should not be blamed on McCoy.

Either way, I think any ineptitude on Tebow’s part shouldn’t wash on McCoy.  All he can do is call plays.  If he doesn’t think that Tebow can complete a certain set of pass plays, hes not going to call them.  End of Story.

Love you Trog, but I disagree with you on this one.

I do want to stress what I’m saying is in no way intended to let Tebow off the hook. He has to do a heck of a lot better with what he is being given! 

I thought he actually played well in the New England game over all but the last two weeks is some of the worst QB play I have ever seen.

Maybe ‘love’ is a strong word.  More like ‘nod my head approvingly often when reading comments.’  Don’t let it get to your head :).  

It seems that our disagreement is in regards to what exact degree the talent level of the offense affects offensive production.  We both agree that the offense is performing poooooorly.  I’m more towards talent mattering above scheme and you are more towards scheme being able to overcome talent weakness.  This is a question that NFL general managers & owners have been unable to answer definitively, which makes it hard for me to prove how totally and completely wrong you are and how I’m obviously brilliant.

If you could describe your perfect offensive game plan, what would it be?

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which makes it hard for me to prove how totally and completely wrong you are and how I’m obviously brilliant.”

HAHA! That was awesome! 

Oh off hand without typing up something huge I’d just say mix it up a bit more. Throw some short passes once in awhile on 1st down (or at least let Tebow try to throw some short passes lol).

Run Royal on slants and quick outs. Let him use his speed and shiftiness to get open. 

Use DT on some corner cut routes and allow him to get use to using that big body to shield throws.

Run Fells (who has been incredible when given the chance and has like a 45 inch verticle) to run several different patterns up the middle. It will catch defenses off guard sometimes (as it has in the past).

Decker is a big body too that HAD great hands in college. If DT is covered well, do the same thing with Decker.

Run some trip sets and allow picks to take place to free Royal or DT since they both have crazy speed.

Basically pass 50% of the time and not just in the obvious have to situations and allow Tebow to prove that he can’t get in a groove. 

The announcers talk about it’s hard on a WR, will it’s every bit as hard on a QB to just suddenly make a big throw.

Dammit, now I’ve typed out another story. UGH!

For the record I’m not saying that’s going to improve things. I believe it would improve the WR’s ability to get open and make plays. I have no idea if Tebow can indeed get into a groove but I think/hope he can if given enough opportunity.

No matter what we prob lose but if we don’t do that, we are practically guaranteed a loss without another miracle i.e. Roth going down in the 1st.

At least trying something, anything that allows for some creativity, puts it on the players i.e. Tebow to have something to execute.

Hell at least then we can all say, man the coaches gave him every opportunity and the kid just doesn’t have it. Or, damn, give the kid an honest shot and he surprises you sometimes!

It sounds like in the grand scheme we are probably more in agreement on things then we disagree. 

Hope you enjoy the game tomorrow man! GO BRONCOS! :D

LOL!