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Denver Broncos vice president John Elway, center, is flanked by head coach John Fox, right, and general manager Brian Xanders during a news conference at the conclusion of the NFL Draft at the football team's headquarters in Englewood, Colo., on Saturday, April 30, 2011. (AP Photo/Ed Andrieski)

Denver Broncos vice president John Elway, center, is flanked by head coach John Fox, right, and general manager Brian Xanders during a news conference at the conclusion of the NFL Draft at the football team's headquarters in Englewood, Colo., on Saturday, April 30, 2011. (AP Photo/Ed Andrieski)

The Denver Broncos 2011 NFL Draft is in the books. If you take the time to read any one breakdown on the web, any breakdown at all, make it these quotes from John Elway, John Fox and Brian Xanders. A lot of gems in here. Enjoy —

On how they feel after the draft

Elway: “It has been a great three days. We looked at the board and what we got out of this draft—I think we are really happy with it. I think we got guys that can come in and help us right away and also got some good depth and created some good competition. So, I personally am excited about it. I think one of the things that I am even more excited about is how the whole team worked. I think as far as the scouts as well as (General Manager) Brian (Xanders’) team with personnel with (Director of College Scouting) Matt Russell and (Director of Pro Personnel) Keith Kidd—and (Head Coach) John (Fox), myself and Brian. I was really happy with the whole process. I really feel like we came out of it—we discussed a lot of different things and we all came out of it unanimous on who is going to be the next guy. It was a great process and I think it worked well. I am really proud of it—especially when you look at the guys that we got. We really feel like they can come in and help us, so for me, with this being my first draft, I feel very good coming out of it.”

On why the team did not select any defensive tackles

Fox: “We came into it with a lot of needs and I think we were not going to fill them all in this process. I think typically in the National Football League, you have two means—one is college (draft) and the other is free agency. So, never in any year that I have been in the NFL have you accomplished meeting all your needs in just one of those pools. So, I think that we will have to address that moving forward in the next pool.”

Xanders: “With the process that we had with the board, we really stuck to our grades and the best player available up on the board. We were not going to reach down below just because of the position that we had (a need). When we took linebackers, they were the best players for our system and for our team, instead of reaching.”

On whether it was a coincidence that they drafted the positions which they did

Xanders: “I would say that at that time, those were the better players on our board. As it came down the defensive tackles in this draft were really taken in the first rounds.”

On whether the team set out to draft linebackers

Xanders: “We think we are going to add competition at every position group and we are happy with those draft picks. We really think they can help our football team. So, we are going to have a plan for success for each one of these guys—including the tight ends, the linebackers and the safeties. We feel really good about those guys that we brought in.”

Fox: “We are making a switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3. So, we need more speed at linebacker. One of the main criteria of this draft was to get faster on defense. That is something that we felt like was a deficiency and I think we accomplished that in a pretty big way.”

On whether the team will look for running backs through free agency

Fox: “I think so, running back was an area that we wanted to build depth and we were not able to do that—much like the defensive tackle (position). I think we helped the tight ends, helped the (offensive) line, and helped the safety position. Again, we had a lot of holes and you cannot fill them all in just this draft.”

Elway: “I think we had all of those defensive linemen, running backs—all the things we wanted to get, there was no doubt about it—but, the way the board fell for us, the last thing we wanted to do was not take what we felt like was the best player on the board at that time. We looked at the running backs and even the defensive linemen. Believe me, we looked hard at the defensive linemen the whole time until the last pick to see if there was somebody that we thought would come in and make our football team. So, it was really in comparing each player and talking about each player, but also, we wanted the best player, who at the time we thought would come in and make our team, and not just take a guy for that position because we needed one. But, we wanted to pick the best players that we thought could come in and help us and make the football team.”

On why the team looked at quarterbacks before the draft but did not draft one

Elway: “We are going to look at all the quarterbacks again next year too, so you can count on that. We are going to look at them next year as we did this year and each year. We are going to look at every position. The thing is, when you are picking No. 2, and we have discussed this, is the fact that we had to see if that franchise guy was there. So, we had to do our homework there.”

Xanders: “I think on that quarterback issue, every team in the league, including us—we are going to try to build the best board that we can at every position column so that when we are ready to pick—we might find a great gem in the later rounds, like other teams had with Tom Brady in the sixth (round). It is our job and our duty to the organization to do the best at every position group every year for the future.”

On picking two safeties

Xanders: “I would say we are adding competition at those spots. (S) Darcel McBath had a really good rookie year. He led our team in special-teams tackles. He was a guy that was going to compete with (S) Renaldo Hill in the second year. He ended up having three major injuries last year, so his second year was not as good as he expected or we expected. We still see an upside in him, and (S) David Bruton was the best special teamer in the country at Notre Dame. He was a fourth rounder; he’s a mismatch on the field at the NFL level as a core special teamer, so he is going to compete at safety also. To me, these two guys have a chance to compete against the guys ahead of them, and we’re going to try to get the best defensive backfield we can out there.”

On position concerns

Fox: “Like John (Elway) mentioned, we selected nine players because we think they’re going to help us. At the safety position, going into our draft, those were two of the best three guys on our board. Talking to people around the league, they had them the same way. It’s just the way it fell; John (Elway) mentioned it. This is the first year I can remember where the draft preceded free agency, so you could actually stay more true to your board than ever and not panic and draft for need. Typically when you draft for need, you’re reaching and not staying true to your board. We felt like we stayed true to our board, and we think we’ve added depth to our football team like probably the other 31 teams in the league.”

On their nine draft picks

Elway: “As I said before we started, there’s kind of an equation that goes with each different player, obviously talent and his ability to play football. But there were other things that were involved in that equation, that they fit the Denver Broncos, not only as football players, but as people—their personal character, their football knowledge, and their football instincts. All those things came into play as far as trying to find the best football player for the Denver Broncos. I think the one thing— not only do we feel like we got great football players that really can come in and help us, but we got great people that are going to help this organization. To say that (character) wasn’t a part of it is not true. There was no question that we looked at character hard and we wanted guys that could come in here and be great people in the community and also be great for the Denver Broncos.”

On whether they were able to talk to potential college free agents earlier in the process

Xanders: “No, it was against the rules. Once we ended the draft, we got all the scouts and coaches in there and shook each others’ hands. It was a great year of work for the scouts and so really, we are done. Once Mr. Irrelevant was picked, we are in that mode now with where we are at in the (labor situation).”

Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow look on from the bench during a 59-14 loss to the Oakland Raiders. (Photo by Justin Edmonds/Getty Images)

Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow look on from the bench during a 59-14 loss to the Oakland Raiders. (Photo by Justin Edmonds/Getty Images)

On the quarterback situation

Fox: “I think you still have to have a depth chart—we will have a depth chart in every position. I think it has been fairly well said that Kyle Orton is our starting quarterback. Just like every other position on the team, though, there will be competition.”

On whether the Broncos drafted four starters with their first four picks

Fox: “Again, you don’t really know that. It’s like a recruiting class in college. Just like any draft prior to this, you don’t really know until you start. Sometimes you don’t even know in the first year, but I know they have that kind of ability, and I think at the end of the day, they’ll decide that.”

On TE Julius Thomas

Xanders: “(TE) Julius Thomas was the player at Portland State that played basketball for four years, and he tried out for football this year. He’s a guys that’s 6-5, 250 (pounds) who is very athletic and has very good ball skills from playing basketball. His athleticism in and out of breaks was great, and his football knowledge—Clancy Barone worked him out at Portland State, and he had very good football knowledge for a one-year player. He’s got a big athletic upside, and if he can gain some weight and lift weights, he could be a 6-5, 260 (pound) guy that can run in a couple years here. We’re excited about him.”

Fox: “One of the other things, too, with Clancy Barone—he was part of the developmental process with (San Diego TE Antonio) Gates. When he was at San Diego, Clancy was there. We did do a private workout. Clancy was involved in that and was very impressed, and that was also part of that decision.”

On TE Virgil Green

Xanders: “Virgil Green was the second tight end. He’s in the same mold; he’s a little bit shorter. He’s 6-3, 245 (pounds), but he’s very fast. He had a great combine; he had a 42-inch vertical. He’s tough. He’s physical. He has that athletic upside, and he may have some versatility.”

On entering the draft without a fourth or fifth-round pick

Fox: “I think ‘hamstrung’ is a hard word, but we didn’t have the fourth and fifth-round picks. We did have the two seconds. If we had the fourth and fifth-round picks already, we might have been able to react differently. The reality was we wanted to get in position to gain a fourth and fifth-round pick, so our trading was more down to getting that than up. There were talks and discussions about going up for those two first-round picks, and it could have been an option. We might have gotten a defensive tackle had it fallen correctly, but we would not have had the fourth and fifth round picks. At our current development as far as injecting new talent into this team, we felt it better to get the extra picks.”

On the report of possibly moving up to get DL Nick Fairly in the first round

Fox: “If he would have gotten to the right spot.”

Elway: “It was talked about. We talked about if we had a chance with all those guys sliding and the quarterbacks going early with another dynamic defensive lineman. If they kept sliding we were talking about doing something to get up and get one of those top defensive tackles. We looked at it, and where they went we decided we were better off with our picks.”

On his role in the War Room

Elway: “I think they used Brian (Xanders) and I against each other (laughing). I would ask for too much and then they would call Brian. It was great. Like I said earlier, I was really happy with how we worked together. I think that we had great discussion on everyone we picked. We really came to a consensus and we were on the same page. That is why I feel good about the guys that we got, not only as football players but character wise and what they are going to do for this organization. I will say this: Today was a long day. Four rounds in one day is a long day. Once you get through that seventh round it is a good feeling, a feeling of accomplishment.”

On where he sees S Rahim Moore and S Quinton Carter

Fox: “I don’t like really defining the players before they get here. If you were looking at it, generally speaking, you would probably say that (Rahim) Moore is probably more the free (safety) and (Quinton) Carter is more the strong (safety). I hate to pigeonhole them at this point; they will kind of define what they can do. They have some veteran guys to learn from and that will speed the process. We needed some youth there and we think we picked two very good ones.”

On Brian Dawkins’ future

Fox: “I don’t think we have so many that it would affect Brian Dawkins, let me put it that way. I don’t think this affects anybody. We will be the team we will be when we get to practice and they will do that. This is in no way jeopardizing our thoughts on any of the guys we have. We just needed some youth and depth and they were the best guys available.”

On not being able to hold mini camps

Fox: “It would be more frustrating if it was just for us and everyone else got to do it. But at this time, everyone is operating under the same things. We will just evaluate our draft and look at things we can do better moving forward and wait and see what we decide to do.”

On his advice to rookies

Fox: “It was really nice to have the opportunity to meet with them all. It was not the whole team but I have had the opportunity before to meet most of the guys and it has been different being in a football building with no football players. It has been a pretty fun day actually.”

On LB Nate Irving

Xanders: “At ‘Mike’ linebacker, the inside linebacker in this new 4-3, he was our No. 1 ‘Mike’ linebacker. We are excited about him because his instincts are so good. He was a serious player who loved football. He had some off-the-chart numbers too; he had 44 tackles for loss. He is a very productive player and when we had him in here about two weeks ago you could just tell that he really loved football and was very serious about the game. When he met (Owner Pat) Mr. Bowlen about bringing back the Orange Crush, he had a big smile on his face and he enjoyed that.”

Elway: “I think also in the position that he played and what we heard about him at North Carolina State, like what kind of leader he was and he was the guy directing traffic on their defense out there. We are hoping that he will come in here and compete for the job No. 1, but also be a leader on our team.”

On looking for a leader at the MLB position

Xanders: ”Like I said, we are sitting there in the top of the third (round) and he is the No. 1 ‘Mike’ linebacker and we thought he was a great fit for the Broncos in the locker room, on the field, and in the community. Greek, our head trainer, signed off on his health and he is fully recovered and he had a great year last year. We are excited about him.”

On OT Orlando Franklin

Xanders: “I went down to (the University of) Miami early last year on the road. He’s a guy that stood out to me in practice. They had these early 5 a.m. practices, but he’s a physical guy in football and in everything, at practice and in the games. He played guard early in his career. He’s a taller guy at 6-5, 320-325 (pounds). He has really long arms, but when they put him at left tackle, he was a physical, fierce competitor. He takes his guy three or four yards down the field. He’s a good pass protector because he has length in his arms. His footwork was good enough. We just liked his demeanor, and then we had a good interview…He had an edge to him. He was ready to go. We think he fits in also as a right tackle because of his physicality and his size and in the vertical movement he possesses. We’re excited about him.”

Fox: “I think he’s an offensive tackle and has a great combination of athleticism and power, and that’s something we’re looking for. He does it with the right set of mindset.”

On how LB Von Miller fits into the defense with DEs Elvis Dumervil and Robert Ayers

Fox: “I think from a starting point, we see Ayers at left end, Elvis (Dumervil) at right end, and Von (Miller) at ‘Sam’ backer; he could also be at the ‘Will’ backer spot and certain fronts. Robert is a bigger, more physical guy that could actually move down into a more tackle type of alignment, and that would leave Von and Elvis on the edge. So I don’t have to give away every little thing we might not do it (laughing), but from a concept stand point, that would be the process. You can put whatever name you want on it, 3-4, 4-3, all that stuff, but Elvis and Von, I think, have proven they’re pretty good edge-rush players.”

On the team’s plans for the tight ends

Fox: “I think there is no question that (Julius) Thomas is what we call a wide tight end, an end-line tight end. He has a bigger frame—most of your top tight ends do have bigger frames. I think it helps the quarterback. It is the closest receiver for the quarterback to throw to. Developing that, we have (TE Richard) Quinn in place already. He is that type of body and I think he can grow a lot like (TE Antonio) Gates did in San Diego. Yet, they are built well enough and powerful enough to learn how to block. Every tight end ever been brought in this league—the No. 1 adjustment coming out of college into pro football is the blocking. We think we have an outstanding coaching staff that can help that process. As far as (TE) Virgil (Green) goes, he more of an ‘F’ tight end, a ‘move’ tight end. He has great vertical speed—he tested off the charts at the combine as far as the physical aspects. He can stretch the field, yet he is still a physical guy who can line up in the backfield from a wing alignment and has a physical-enough presence to block.”

On the feel of being in the ‘War Room’ compare dot previous years

Xanders: “It was very different—a lot more people and it was a lot more inclusive. There was a lot more discussion. I really like working with both John Fox and John Elway. They are great guys—they know football and they know what they want to have on this team. We had great discussions on each level with the different rounds and the way the board fell. It was a good discussion. We included our top two people in pro personnel, our top two people in college scouting and we had the coaches involved a lot more this draft. They evaluated 15-20 players each, instead of 5-8. With the big picture, it was a more inclusive process. Our scouts had their say in December and February. We brought them in on certain discussions—as we had different players coming down on the board, we had them come in and talk about their character and what they thought was the best choice on the board at that time. It was an open room and we felt great about it. The other person that was in there this year was (Head Athletic Trainer Steve) “Greek” (Antonopulos)—he is our longtime trainer. He is a great employee here with the Broncos and he helped guide us through the medical part of the process.”

On whether there were any ties that had to be broken

Elway: “No, believe me, there were a lot of discussions that went on for a long time, but eventually we came back and got back to the same point to where when we made the decisions, we were all on the same page. Like I said, the open discussion that we had with each of the players that each of us liked—we were able to talk our way through it, along with the other guys in the room and eventually as everything came down, we had one guy pinpointed, and we were all on board with the guy that we took.”

On why the team went with LB Von Miller over DL Marcell Dareus with the No. 2 pick

Elway: “Two great players—Dareus is going to have a long career and a great career and he is a great player. I really think that we looked at Von and the difference to me was that he is one of those guys that comes along once in 10 years and a guy that has a chance to be dynamic on the football field. He is a guy, as I have said so many times, when you turn on the film you do not need to know what number he is. You can just tell because he is moving that fast on the football field and is a kid that we just feel like the upside is there. Because of that ability and plus the type of person he is—and Marcell Dareus, we spent a lot of time with him and he was a great guy also and would have fit in great here. Just the way Von was and bottom line, his athletic ability and upside we felt that for what we needed—obviously, we needed a tackle—but what Von brought, he was the best fit for us.”

Von Miller of the Denver Broncos is presented to the media for the first time with vice president of football operations John Elway at Dove Valley on April 29, 2011 in Englewood, Colorado. Miller, a projected outside linebacker in head coach John Fox's new 4-3 scheme, was selected second overall from Texas A&M. (Justin Edmonds/Getty Images)

Von Miller of the Denver Broncos is presented to the media for the first time with vice president of football operations John Elway at Dove Valley on April 29, 2011 in Englewood, Colorado. Miller, a projected outside linebacker in head coach John Fox's new 4-3 scheme, was selected second overall from Texas A&M. (Justin Edmonds/Getty Images)

Xanders: “I would say the same thing. With Dareus, we really liked his strength, his explosion and his power. He is a bigger defensive tackle. He was very versatile and the other thing about him was that he was in a great scheme and system there with Nick Saban in Alabama. We think he is going to have a great career. We had the same grade with those two players. The thing with Von and the more we talked was his explosion, his playmaking ability, his mismatches that he causes in scheme protections with (DE) Elvis (Dumervil) on the other side and all of our interior players—and, like John (Elway) just said, his upside. He can be a 255-pound linebacker that can cover tight ends, that can rush the passer and you can run different schemes with him. You can run 3-4, even on dime (packages), you can run 3-3 and 3-2 (fronts). You can move him everywhere and he is a good football player. He is a great teammate and we thought he had an explosive mismatch ability.”

On why the team did not choose CB Patrick Peterson

Fox: “All three of those guys you mentioned (Miller, Dareus and Peterson), I wanted all three of them, but we could not get them (laughing). They are all impact guys. From Von to Dareus and also Patrick—we spent a lot of time with all three of them. It really did not come down to who we liked the best or not, it was who would fit us best. All three are great players and are going to have great careers in this league and they are really that type of talent. There are not a whole lot of 219-pound guys that run 4.3 (40-yd. dash). All of them have a unique talent and we had to make a choice.”

On the team’s plans for free agency

Xanders: “We have been prepared for free agency since December and we really fine-tuned it in January with John Fox and John Elway. Then, there was that system change, so we have not made any contact and we have not done anything with that. Once they tell us the rules, we are allowed to execute the plan. We have a plan for free agency. We are ready for two systems. We are ready for the four, five and six (year unrestricted free agents) being free and we are ready for the six-plus guys being free.”

On whether there are players that the team will look at from Carolina

Fox: “I cannot get into specifics at this stage, but as Brian mentioned, we do have a plan. We have a plan A, B, C, D. We are in the blocks and ready to go, we are just waiting for the (start) gun.”

On not drafting a player at a “skill position”

Fox: “Well, I think that if you are going to kind of relegate the skill positions to just offense and just wide receivers, quarterbacks and running backs—just like defensive tackles, we could not address all of our needs in this pool. Moving forward we are going to do everything in our power to better our football team in the next pool.”

  • anthony33

    I really like what the Broncos did over the last 3 days. If I were to give them a grade, it would be a B+. Had they taken Dareus with the number 2 pick and did everything else the same, it would have been an A+ in my book.

    Getting the extra picks and sticking to the best player available is a good change from years past. Walters football had the bottom half of their picks as all A's and that is because they stuck with their strategy. Very nice job men.

    Hoping I am wrong on Miller vs Dareus and that Miller turns out to be Matthews/Thomas type. Then we are back to an A+

    Now… get this ridiculous CBA settled, get a DT and a RB in free agency, hand the reigns to Mr. Tebow and go kick some ass.

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  • 5280

    i agree to a degree. i love what they did, dont get me wrong. They made some great pics. rahim moore is considered by some to be the best safty in the draft. virgil green is a big guy with hands. but if they had taken at least paea, or marvin austin, i would have been even more impressed. I think they would have done as good as the bucs did or the browns did, maybe even as good as the pats did. I mean, sam acho would have impressed me more then green did. but i think ELFOXX makes a good point when they say that the cannot rely fully on the draft this year with free agency still coming. i mean, tommy harris was cut by the bears. true hes had some injuries but, if you've seen him play, im sure youd take that risk. and both brandon jacob AND d'angelo williams are free agents!! soon denver will be running over people once again on the ground with one of them. also, if they still have enough $$, they can at least try to grab namni asamowhatever and have the best backfield in the league, WITHOUT PETERSON!!! I hope all you peterson/bronco maniacs have calmed down by now and its finally clicked that we could have a good draft and still have a chance to have one of the best CB duo in the league. not saying it will happen, just sayin that not taking peterson didn't destroy the defence like a lot of you were implying. the scheme that their trying to run really fits there defence. its nice to hear them imply that they're not just gonna sit there in the same 4-3 line up every down. mixing it up with miller and ayers is gonna really confuse teams. the fact that miller is so versitile make the pick so valuable. all in all, it was one of their best drafts in years. so far so good with the new crew.

  • anthony33

    5280
    I will say the more I read and listen to Mr Miller, the better I feel about this pick. I am beginning to believe (maybe wishful thinking, but hey, I am a Bronco fan) he was the best athlete in this draft.

    I too was miffed when they passed on Austin and Paea, but when you listen to the ELFOXX explaining the strategy to stick to there game plan and take the best on their board, I say good for them. They indicated they would have liked Fairley had they been able to get him without giving up too much. They determined the price was too high, thus avoiding a potential huge mistake.

    I'd give ELFOXX big kudos for their first rodeo. Of course only time will tell, but it sure feels better the day after than the last few years.

  • Big_Pete

    Alfred Williams (regardless of what you think of him or how he thinks Tebow isn't the “answer”) said for months that Miller was the only HOF player in this draft. Guess who got him?
    If he had this same exact defense, but Lawrence Taylor was available (without us having revisionist history on our side), would you still be saying that you'd have rather taken Darius instead? I mean, you probably would, because you have no reason to say otherwise, but I'm telling you, Miller was the best player in the draft.
    This is more than a 1 draft rebuilding process. Yes we need linemen, but we also needed linebackers. How many times did backs break to the outside and our linebackers couldn't get there in time to wrap them up? How many times did TEs catch passes because our LBs were too slow to keep up with them? How many times did a QB bootleg out, with our LBs seeing it, but they weren't athletic enough to get him? The answer is “all the freaking time.” That all changed with us getting Miller.
    We'll more than likely get a tackle next year in the draft if there is a stud for the taking, and there isn't a bonafide “potential HOF” player on a position of need.
    This D will take 2-3+ drafts to stabilize and become respectable, not just 1 draft. We couldn't get everyone we needed this draft, so we got the best players we could, and we'll get the best players next year. Hey, at least we aren't drafting 3 out of 4 offensive players like in the last few years, so it's a start!

  • Big_Pete

    This is absolutely one of the best drafts in about a decade!
    We didn't need Peterson. We already saw what a HOF cornerback does when the front 7 doesn't pressure the QB. We needed Linemen and Linebackers. We just got the premiere LB in the draft, and it wasn't even close. Miller, Irving, DJ… those are our LBs. The last time we had 3 stellar LBs, we went to the AFC Championship. On that team, we had a shit Line and lesser CBs/Safeties (sorry Lynch, you were still a beast though). I'll take our D right now over the D in 2005 (sorry Big Al, You and Atwater are still my favorite Defenders in our history and I'd take you two over anyone ever), but overall, our D this year will be better than the D that took us to the Championship.
    Plus, if Cox stays out of jail, he's gonna be really good. I liked how he played. Sure WRs caught balls, but he was right there to tackle them immediately. Champ will keep working with him, and Cox will soon start breaking up those passes that he was letting WRs catch. Moore will start this year I think too.

  • Big_Pete

    And if Darius turns out to be another Courtney Brown, will we be back to an A+?

  • AtomicLeo

    Love all the picks. If you read through the descriptions, you'll notice that, with the exception of one of the TEs, they all had at least 2 years starting experience. They went in looking for starters, not projects that *may* have huge impact in a 2-3 years or guys that looked great but had injury questions (Fairley, Paena) or off-field issues (Austin). Yes, there were a lot of DT out there, but the one that could start this season or make contributions this year were gone by the middle of the first.

  • Big_Pete

    Exactly. By the time we picked in the 2nd, hell, by the time the 2nd round opened, 12 DTs were gone. 12! That means that whoever we would have drafted would have been at a minimum of the 13th best DT in the draft. When was the last time the 13th best anything drafted was a stud? It just doesn't happen! I'm perfectly fine with not getting the 13+ best DT, but instead, getting the best safety and best OL available.

  • anthony33

    All depends on how Miller turns out. I did love what the man had to say in his pressers. You can see he was raised well. Just hope he has the nasty bone attitude when he steps on the field. IMO he is either another Derrick Thomas or Jarvis Moss, depending on that on-field attitude.

  • anthony33

    Cave man, areffere, Whidbey… where you guys?? Step up.

  • Big_Pete

    unfair. Jarvis Moss played as a DE in college, not LB.
    Miller played LB in college and will do so in the NFL too. It's not gonna be a complete position change.
    Ayers played DE in college and changed to LB
    Doom played DE in college and changed to LB (was really good DE, mediocre LB even though he had sacks)
    I'm sick and tired of people drafting these guys and trying to put them into a different position. If you need a LB, draft a LB not a DE. If you need a DE, don't draft a kicker and stick him on the line. lol

  • anthony33

    Not sure if anyone else noticed or paid attention to this, but all the Bronx draftee's came out wearing ORANGE caps. Love it!!!

  • anthony33

    Not sure if anyone else noticed or paid attention to this, but all the Bronx draftee's came out wearing ORANGE caps. Love it!!!

  • Big_Pete

    We're bringing back the home orange in 2012.

  • WhidbeyBronco

    I'm letting it sink in. I wanted another O-lineman but NOT where or WHO we picked.

    I wanted a star. Miller wasn't my choice. Is he a Derick Thomas? Are we really expecting him to be MORE than DT? If so, he was still awesome but always flawed vs the run and in coverage… Will he be a star? I like his chances.

    Sure we didn't need Peterson this year but we will SOON. This guy could be amazing for years to come. Really, REALLY wish we'd have drafted him.

    As far as the DT situation? The ONLY way we justify not taking dareus or Fairly is by taking one of the guys in the 2nd. Are we freaking kidding? Unless we have a plan for a FA. (how could we really? for sure?)

    I feel like my own choices for our draft have been better than my team's for freaking YEARS now and I do this year as well I'm sorry to say.

    The difference this year is we're needier than we've EVER been. How sad is that? EFX knew this clearly. We drafted some high character/high upside guys for our FUTURE. We can't fix everything at once but IMO we drafted some real talented guys who will contribute for years to come…. THIS MAKES ME VERY HAPPY.

    We didn't do anything really stupid. We couldn't afford big misses. Good Job Elway! Looking forward Free Agency and then to the season.

    (These idiots BETTER NOT turn our precious NFL into the MLB!!)

  • Roy

    Thank God!!!

  • Big_Pete

    If we wanted to pay top money for a DT, I say to just sign Haloti Ngata when a CBA gets done. He's one of the premier tackles in the entire league, and is a proven, young commodity. Dareus is a toss up. Could be a stud, could be courtney brown. We don't know. I personally am really glad we got Miller instead of Dareus. Miller in my opinion is as close to a “can't miss” as this draft had to offer.

  • WhidbeyBronco

    correction. there were 12 D-linemen taken.
    Only four DTs.

    there were several DTs left with a ton of upside!!

  • WhidbeyBronco

    Sounds good but he didn't exactly impress in Miami.

    And he's a freaking GUARD. He rarely played tackle. I really hope he works out. I'd like to see Harris resigned for cheap and hopefully stay healthy while our youngsters learn the NFL game.

    I do love the attitude!!

  • TheTroglodyte

    A lot is riding on training camp but I imagine DJ Williams will be shipped off before pre-season hits. The guy is always around the ball but he rarely makes an impact play and considering his off-field issues and who we drafted and Haggan outplayed him, I think he is done here.

    It will be Irving in the middle (rotating with Mays) and Haggan and Miller on the outside.

    The Cardinals need a QB too (Peterson is probably trade bait to get one) so Orton might be on the board too. Orton and DJ combined could probably pull Peterson or if not they could get an above average DT if we can't get our guy in free agency.

    I imagine we will look for a DT first but if that's not a feasible option, I'm sure Peterson will be looked at.

  • WhidbeyBronco

    Oh I'd love Ngata but I doubt he'll be allowed to leave. Cofield maybe? Mebane? Spears or Bannan?

    There truly are a lot of options out there.

    @RB as well.

    If Tebow produces any time soon…
    If we trade KO for some talent…
    If DT ever heals?

    This could be a fun season!!!

    Either way. Hope for the future is all any true fan needs and EFX are giving us that!

  • Big_Pete

    whatever. 13th best lineman, 5th best DT. Either way, the odds of him being a stud are way less than #1 by far LB, #1 by far Safety, and #1 Lineman with an incredible nasty streak in him.

  • Big_Pete

    This is a good sight for “potential” free agents.
    http://www.footballsfuture.com
    Those are DL broken down to Ends and Tackles.
    If the lockout gets lifted monday, Free Agents are once again allowed to shop their services, Ngata would be 1 of them. There are quite a few quality guys out there to be had.
    I'm just thinking that because this is a 3+ year rebuild for the D, we'll get the DT next year if there is a great one available to us. We couldn't get everyone in this draft, so we had to get the best players available on the D when we were picking.

  • Big_Pete

    DJ is an amazing LB, just in the wrong LB position. He's not a middle linebacker. Remember, he is a weakside LB first, then moved to Strong side his 2nd year and was in consideration for Defensive ROY award.
    I think the move to middle was a huge mistake and really put him out of position.
    Miller, Irving, DJ gives us one of the best linebacking trios in the NFL.
    We'll trade Orton for picks, unless someone like the Vikings or someone who has DT talent with a glaring QB need (even though they just drafted one, Orton can “teach” him. ha)

  • TheTroglodyte

    We will have to agree to disagree on DJ. I've never cared much for him. There are a lot of LB tackling machines out there. Even when he was playing weakside, he was the same player putting up a lot of tackles with little pop.

    It's one thing to be in on a lot of plays and another to be a playmaker. For me DJ just doesn't cut it.

  • Big_Pete

    DJ as a middle linebacker is as you say “in on a lot of plays”. DJ as a weakside linebacker was a playmaker. I think you're forgetting how awesome he was his first 2 years in the league. Middle linebackers get the high tackle numbers. WS/SS linebackers are the ones who have to be the playmakers.

  • anthony33

    That right there just goes to illustrate how screwed up this defense has been for years. Williams was by far best when he played weak side LB, but has not played there since I believe his rookie year when he was damn near rookie of the year. If I remember correctly, they resigned Ian Gold and put him back at the weak and moved DJ to strong. Hasn't been back to the weak side yet. Just plain stupidity.

  • Big_Pete

    Preach it brother!
    People completely forget how dominant he was his rookie year, and to just a fraction of an extent less, his 2nd year.
    He was one of the NFL's best weakside linebackers, and that was with him being a rookie. The future looked so bright for him that we all had to wear shades and 1million SPF sunblock. Then he left his natural position and racked up lots of tackles, even though he was out of place and out of his element. People have since forgotten just how amazing he was when he was weakside, which with the addition of Miller and Irving, looks to be moving back to weakside where he belongs and can be dominant.

  • robtink242

    DJ at Will, Irving/Haggan/Free agent at Mike, Von Miller at Sam

  • TheTroglodyte

    He also played Will in 2008. He had 81 tackles as a rookie but wasn't a huge impact player. He only recorded 55 tackles his 2nd year and had 0 impact.

    Last year was by far his most productive in terms of impact and I believe the most Tackles for a Loss (TFL) DJ has had in a single season came last year with 4 too.

    I've got no problem keeping the guy, I'm not lobbying to trade him, I just wouldn't be surprised to see him packed up in a deal for Peterson or a DT.

  • Big_Pete

    False! As soon as DJ went to Middle LB, he never moved back. That transition took place in 2007.
    His rookie year was FANTASTIC. Anyone who says otherwise is simply trying to hate for the purpose of hating.
    We need DJ more than we need Peterson. We need QB pressure. No matter how much talent you have in the secondary, they can only cover for so long. Give any QB 10 seconds to find an open guy, and they will find an open guy. We could have Deion Sanders in his prime with Champ in his prime and we'd still have given up 450 points.
    We need our fast linebackers and a good line. We'll have Ayers in his natural position, Dumervil in his natural position, Vickerson and Thomas/whoever we probably pick up in FA when CBA is signed.
    That front 7 is light years ahead of last year. I'd give up vickerson, thomas, inving, any of our safeties not called Moore, and Goodman in possible trades, but nobody else.

  • Big_Pete

    Exactly what will happen. Maybe Mays at Mike too to rotate. He's either playing mike or we trade/cut him, which I think would be a mistake.

  • TheTroglodyte

    lol no that's not false he played will in 2008. Also what does Williams have to do with rushing the QB? That's not his thing bro.

  • TheTroglodyte

    This is from DenverBroncos.com

    “Started for the Broncos at weakside linebacker in 2004 and ‘08, strongside linebacker from 2005-06, middle linebacker in ‘07 and inside linebacker in ‘09.”

    http://www.denverbroncos.com/t

  • areferee

    My posts relevant to this issue were earlier under two other articles. C- overall based on not addressing the defensive line. The 4-5 players picked that will make the squad will strengthen the defense and help depth on offense. We will need additional help through FA. Neglecting the defensive line was not worthy of the talent available.

  • anthony33

    agree, they did not fill a gap (no pun intended) on the D line. However, if your draft strategy is going to be – take the best available player – similar to what Green Bay, Pittsburgh, NE and Baltimore are praised for, then you have to do that. I give them credit.

    They will need to try and address the DL through FA as well as RB, but overall I like what they did.

  • ETL

    So when McDaniels ignores the d-line, drafts a player who doesn't match the system and two safeties he gets hell for it.

    However, ElFoxWay is a genius for doing the same?

  • WhidbeyBronco

    agreed.

  • WhidbeyBronco

    Peterson. lol wouldn't that be something.

  • WhidbeyBronco

    DJ will be excellent in his proper position with talent. I cant wait.

  • WhidbeyBronco

    EFX didn't draft OFFENSE 1st or trade a 1st for a 2nd round bust etc etc

  • Big_Pete

    come now. You don't believe what db.com says, do you? Mike/Inside still means he was inside. 2008 he was inside. I remember, and I've looked up old articles saying how he was playing inside during the 2008 season.
    Like I've said, and now Whidbey and Anthony said, he'll be a monster once again as soon as he goes back to his natural position. The issue will be if Irving will be able to play Mike LB or not. I guess we have Mays for backup just in case.

  • anthony33

    Among many other stupid thing he did.

  • WhidbeyBronco

    i miss your logic there. Each draft varies. The #1 safety last year went in the top ten, not where we got this years. There were 4 DTs that teams chose before the #1 safety this year. This year at the very least #4 was better than #1. IMO so were #s 5 and 6.

    Also, That O-lineman was certainly not the #1 lineman.

    I pretty much agree with your angle, just not your facts or your reasoning.

  • WhidbeyBronco

    I likes me some Mays and to hear Parcels say it, we're going to love Irving. High hopes that these guys pan out.

    And if Von Miller can drop back and cover… we could be coming up soon!

  • Big_Pete

    From what I've heard on the radio by scouts, coaches, and the radio hosts, Miller can cover. They said he wasn't asked to in Texas, but at the senior bowl, he was asked to cover, and he was dominant doing it. This just gets my hopes even higher for him to be an absolute STUD.

  • Big_Pete

    If McDaniels was running this draft, he'd have taken Green (WR) with our 1st round pick, another RB and TE with our 2nd round picks, and probably a punter with our 3rd round pick.
    He'd have then taken a QB in the 6th to back up Tebow, and maybe a safety or CB with the remaining 6th and 7th round picks.
    At least here, 3 of our first 4 picks went to glaring holes in our D. We didn't get a DT, but again, you can't get everyone in 1 freaking draft. It's gonna take multiple drafts to fill all needs. LB and Safety were need positions just as a DT was (although maybe not to the extent).

  • Chasslw

    trade tebow for a all day sucker you will be better off

  • WhidbeyBronco

    you aint kidding. I read somewhere where he said himself he could even cover #1 WRs…. he's fast enough. Can't wait to see him crush Gates.