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Published on 05/11/2010 at Tue May 11 00:27.
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Interesting slip-up shows Dallas Cowboys draftboard

Posted Tue May 11th by

Jerry Jones moves a player on the Cowboys draft board.

Jerry Jones moves a player on the Cowboys draft board.

Think Tim Tebow was a reach in the first round?

So do the Dallas Cowboys.

Several nutty Cowboys fans have pieced together what has been confirmed to be the actual Dallas draft board. The list was pieced together through several available photos that were taken inside the Dallas war room.

Dallas owner Jerry Jones gave unprecedented access to the war room and some interested Cowboys fans have pieced together a list of where Dallas ranked each player in the first several rounds.

According to the Dallas board they believed that Dez Bryant was likely going to the Denver Broncos at number 11 and had the same rank on him. A deeper look shows that even the Broncos first, first round pick, wide receiver Demaryius Thomas was a reach in their opinion… They had him graded as the second overall pick in the second round, presumably going to the Detroit Lions.

Tebow, nowhere on their board at all…

The only other Broncos player on their draft board: Eric Decker (WR, 3rd, 15th).

  • bigtymer39

    They have a “quarterback”

  • http://www.crackforsale.com kdeazy

    remember the drunken jerry jones video he said that he couldn't get tebow on the field so i am not really surprised he is not on their board.
    http://deadspin.com/5516297/slurring-jerry-jone…

  • Big_Pete

    Exactly. They already have their franchise QB, so why have one on your board at all? Sure, you rank the first few, just because you know they'll be taken, but after that, why bother? The same thing goes for any position you are absolutely stacked at and don't need/want to draft for unless it's late round depth. No biggie.

  • herc_rock

    I don't buy that. If you don't care about QB's, why rank anyone other than Bradford? If you don't care about QB's why sign an undrafted FA one?

    What I think is more likely is that they didn't think the jesusback was draftable.

  • CompUser

    If you had any credibility at all in your post, you lost it right here: “they didn't think the jesusback was draftable”. Are you afraid of Tebow's Christianity, or what?

  • mangeletti

    Look, most of the people that make it their business to know such things didn't have Tebow going in the first round, so we all know that Tebow was a reach. Now we just wait to see if McD is smarter than everybody else or not. We shall see. If not, well then we drafted a team chaplin.

  • CompUser

    That was supposed to be a reply to herc_rock.

  • CompUser

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall he was projected as an early 1st-round pick before he did the Superbowl commercial. I believe it's his open Christianity and pro-life beliefs that caused him to drop, not his abilities. Again, maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see it.

  • mangeletti

    nope, you're wrong.

  • TheTroglodyte

    Why does anyone care about the Cowboys draft board anyway? They haven't had a good draft since Jimmy Johnson left.

  • dogheadbrew

    That's interesting, but remember (as pointed out before) the Dallas draft board is based on their specific needs and the players available. All this tells me is that Bradford was the only QB they would be willing to dump Romo for. I think the consensus is that Tebow was a bit of a reach, especially because McD probably could have gotten him with one of the 2nd round picks he had in his pocket.

    All in all, I think I'd like to play poker with McD. I think he has some tells and will jump a hand he probably shouldn't.

    Random off topic discussion point: pro level coach, any of the big four* that your would or would not like to play poke with and why.

    Would:
    McD for above mentioned reasons

    Would Not:
    Marc Crawford, I'm too afraid of a 6'3″ 210lb winger chopping be into paralysis if I win anything.

    *If I have to listen to baseball “highlights” for nine solid months, then I damn sure get to include the NHL in the big sports.

  • TheTroglodyte

    The fun thing about Poker is, if you aren't willing to occasionally jump a hand you shouldn't, you'll never have a chance at making the final table because you're too conservative.

  • dogheadbrew

    True, and I didn't say I'd win, but it gives me a chance at reads. And Tebow may be that good jump, but we won't know until the flop.

  • http://broncotalk.net Kyle

    Because the Cowboys have been the pillar of drafting prowess over the years?

  • herc_rock

    Homeboy's overly preachy and off-putting christianity has nothing at all to do w/ my point.

  • herc_rock

    Yes, you are very, very wrong.

  • Broncobrad

    If I'm not mistaken, most “smart” teams only list guys on their draft boards that they feel would fit in their system and they would consider taking with their picks. They typically slot players in that they want where they think they will be drafted. I would believe the Cowpies would be the same way. Jerry already has publicly acknowledged that he wouldn't draft Tebow, because he wouldn't be able to get on the field because of Romo and Wittenand other players at positions Tebow was rumored to be playing.

    Tebow would not have been there at the 43th or 45th slot. McDaniels traded up to get Tebow because there were rumors that both Jacksonville and Buffalo were looking to take him and were considering moving up toward the top of the 2nd round or late 1st round to get him. While there are sides of me that wish we could have used those picks to get some additional quality players, there is no guarantee that those players will turn out any better or worse than Tebow. All draft choices are a crapshoot. Quite honestly, I'll take my chances with a proven winner any day.

  • http://nation.theorangepage.com/blog Ian Henson

    Nine Pro Bowlers in the last eight seasons and counting… Not bad in my opinion, Dallas picks well.

    That being said, Kyle Orton was a seventh week pro bowl sure bet last season. You could argue that statistically he deserved to get the nod above both Vince Young and David Garrard as well even after the second half of the season fall off. He finished with a higher QB rating than both and statically better than either in almost every category.

    So I think that both Quinn and Tebow would be able to do the same in Josh McDaniels offense. Tebow likely just didn't make sense, because God forbid anyone push Tony Romo at quarterback… They'd just end up cutting the guy that did.

  • TheTroglodyte

    How many of those 9 were actually drafted by Dallas (Romo was a walk on and only because Sean Peyton begged for a chance to work with him) and how many of those were replacement players 2 or 3 down on the list like Mike Jenkins who was a 3rd alternate choice?

  • http://nation.theorangepage.com/blog Ian Henson

    I have no idea. Tony Romo was one of my 9 though, I don't remember who was alternatives. Are you saying someone was a bad draft choice because they were a third draft alternative?

    I'd say Felix Jones was a good draft pick despite not making the pro bowl, Patrick Crayton too… I don't care enough about Dallas to go through and show that they've had strong drafts. I think where they may have faltered somewhat is in free agency, but then again I'm not an expert on Dallas. I am not as suffocated by them as most Broncos fans who live near the Denver region.

  • iskabibble

    Who really gives a flying F$#K? Smarter minds than Jones think Tebow should have been the #1 pick overall. 198 players were picked before Brady. Rod Smith FA. Mecklenberg? So what? If Tebow is what he is billed to be by Gruden, Dungey, Bellichek, McDaniels, Elway, etc etc….who gives a flying F$#K?

  • robert ethan

    Tebow's name is not visible on the board, but neither is Dez Bryant's or a few other highly rated prospects. What exactly leads you to believe that Tebow was not listed? There are at least 20 spots in the first two rounds not visible.

    Grab a clue.

  • TheTroglodyte

    I'm not saying someone was a bad draft choice just because they were a 3rd alternate sub to the pro bowl. Just that when 6 people were put there ahead of you, it doesn't necessarily mean that was a great pick either. Crayton was taken in the 7th round to compete as a punt returner. Yes it turned out to be a good pick but does Dallas really get credit for spotting a 3rd string WR in the 7th round?

    Miles Austin was undrafted.
    Leonard Davis – Drafted by Cardinals

    Really the only success draft picks I can think of for the Cowboys is Jay Ratliff, DeMarcus Ware, and Jason Witten. Granted, those were definitely bullseye's but it isn't enough to put a whole lot of stock in what the Cowboys ranked where.

    Plus, who goes to the pro bowl is a total sham anyway. Of course a lot of Cowboys are going to go, the fans vote the players in and the Cowboys by far control the biggest market. It's no different than Allen Iverson and Tracy McGrady being voted as starters in the NBA All Star game this year.

    All that being said, I thought it was a great and fascinating article, so I wasn't trying to take anything away from what you wrote at all. I was just throwing it out there that I didn't think the Cowboys were an organization to be in awe of come draft day.

  • mangeletti

    One things for sure, it will make the Cowboys games even more interesting once Tebow is the starter…

  • Joe

    http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15047949

    What does everyone think about this?
    This could be quite the write up, Kyle..Lets get the Broncotalk's staff's opinions on this!

  • dogheadbrew

    I heard 950 the Fan discussing this too. Here are my thoughts:

    You either fall into the “throw-em-in-the-fire” camp, or the “let-em-learn-from-the-sidelines” camp. I am in the later, and if you are in the former, stop reading because I won't change your mind. So if you believe that a rookie QB should ride pine for a year plus, you would like him to watch the best QB you can. That means leadership, professionalism and the ability to win. So is that Orton or Quinn? So far Orton seems to be the guy, but if Quinn earns the position, so be it. Either way I'd rather have a vet starter and backup if at all possible.

    All of this assumes you plan on Tebow as your QB future, which you should with a 1st round pick. That means both Orton and Quinn are simple tools to Tebow development, which sucks for them, but is how the game is played. Orton, in all likelihood, will be gone next year, so he has something to play for this year. Namely proving to other teams that he can lead their team. Quinn either blows us away and starts for a few years, can't pull off the big time and becomes a career backup (no shame), or tries to reresurect his career elsewhere.

    This all presupposes that Tebow pans out. If not he and McD will both be looking for other employment in two or three years.

  • http://broncoszone.blogspot.com/ Jon

    Oh my! Wow. Amazing. This is so interesting. Yawn.
    Lol, sorry. But I don't really care.

  • http://broncotalk.net Kyle

    Woody Paige likes the young unproven kid who smiles and gives quotes better than the boring-but-proven veteran? There's a shocker.

  • http://broncoszone.blogspot.com/ Jon

    LOL

  • samrotolo

    I really dont care about the cowboys or what they think of our picks

  • RHINO67

    Just saw Tony Romo on the T.V. Show the Biggest Loser! That shit is funny! Fits him well.

  • TheTroglodyte

    It sure does! That retard is making some 15 million a year, dates super models, actresses and singers… His work consists of starting in the NFL as a QB and he goes and does basically whatever he wants, whenever he wants in the world on a simple whim.

    What a loser!

  • RHINO67

    I can care less what he does in his personal life. The correlation was that he chokes and loses on the field, thus the “biggest loser”. Looks like somebody is keeping tabs on his personal life though.

  • katch22

    If you listened to the Vic & Gary podcast then you heard Mark Schlereth say he knows for a FACT that mutiple teams were trying to trade in the area of where Denver picked to draft Tebow. So that goes to show you he wasn't a reach wether you like him or not. All I have to say is we started with 6 picks and ended with nine players. Everybody keeps bashing us for the Tebow pick and not drafting a MLB. I think Mario is going to do a bang up job inside and we didn't need to draft that position as bad as everybody thinks we needed too.

  • DenverDave

    I heard the same interview. Schlereth was very adamant that there were several teams looking to trade up to get Tebow in that range.

  • Jon

    So does Payton Manning, so does Brett Favre, so what?

  • Gary R.

    Besides Jax and Buffalo, you can even throw in Minnesota (which must know more than Rich Eisen about Favre's intentions). And I agree with Denver Dave and katch22 about MLB too.

    I, too, was also using tunnel-vision by fretting about MLB before the draft (and even mentioned Eric Norwood as an ILB, when some draft-guide incorrectly listed him there). Of course, the same draft-guide magazine didn't even list Zane Beadlkes at all (which just goes to show the divergence of opinions in the guessing-game of determining who can make the leap to the Pros).

    But I saw Ayodele's performance against the Saints on NFL Network recently and saw how active he was (even with an uncovered Guard trying to block him on most plays… albeit unsuccessfully).

    He had 71 tackles, moves well laterally and has more experience in the 3-4 than Haggan (who was just as good as Andra Davis was last year, even though he was out-of-position).

    Haggan was our biggest surprise contributor in 2009 at OLB and will definitely pair well with Ayodele to immediately help in 2010 (unlike a rookie who wouldn't be able to hit the ground running). Plus, considering the lack of 3-4 thumpers in the draft, passing on a two-dimensional guy like Spikes may have helped us avoid reaching for a position (as we did with Ashley Lelie and Willie Middlebrooks years earlier, during thin drafts at those positions).

    Considering the importance of the LB's in a 3-4 and considering the adjustments that Ayers and the still mostly one-dimensional Doom have to make at OLB, I think McD handled the ILB very smartly.

    We still have Larsen as the third-string and don't forget the tallish Darrell Reid being paired with the more leveraged Jammie Kirlew as backups on the outside.

  • DenverDave

    I heard the same interview. Schlereth was very adamant that there were several teams looking to trade up to get Tebow in that range.

  • Jon

    So does Payton Manning, so does Brett Favre, so what?

  • Gary R.

    Besides Jax and Buffalo, you can even throw in Minnesota (which must know more than Rich Eisen about Favre's intentions). And I agree with Denver Dave and katch22 about MLB too.

    I, too, was also using tunnel-vision by fretting about MLB before the draft (and even mentioned Eric Norwood as an ILB, when some draft-guide incorrectly listed him there). Of course, the same draft-guide magazine didn't even list Zane Beadlkes at all (which just goes to show the divergence of opinions in the guessing-game of determining who can make the leap to the Pros).

    But I saw Ayodele's performance against the Saints on NFL Network recently and saw how active he was (even with an uncovered Guard trying to block him on most plays… albeit unsuccessfully).

    He had 71 tackles, moves well laterally and has more experience in the 3-4 than Haggan (who was just as good as Andra Davis was last year, even though he was out-of-position).

    Haggan was our biggest surprise contributor in 2009 at OLB and will definitely pair well with Ayodele to immediately help in 2010 (unlike a rookie who wouldn't be able to hit the ground running). Plus, considering the lack of 3-4 thumpers in the draft, passing on a two-dimensional guy like Spikes may have helped us avoid reaching for a position (as we did with Ashley Lelie and Willie Middlebrooks years earlier, during thin drafts at those positions).

    Considering the importance of the LB's in a 3-4 and considering the adjustments that Ayers and the still mostly one-dimensional Doom have to make at OLB, I think McD handled the ILB very smartly.

    We still have Larsen as the third-string and don't forget the tallish Darrell Reid being paired with the more leveraged Jammie Kirlew as backups on the outside.