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Published on 03/14/2010 at Sun Mar 14 15:49.
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Brady Quinn, Welcome to Denver

Posted Sun Mar 14th by

Well, do I really need to cite a source? All I can say is wow. Denver has given up Peyton Hillis (essentially a 7th round pick), a 2011 6th round pick, and a conditional 2012 pick for well you know, Brady Quinn.

I cannot even begin to process an opinion, because I’m full of questions. What does this mean for Kyle Orton? Is Quinn a backup or is he going to compete for the starting job? What are the details of the conditional details? Adam Schefter reports that the conditional pick is a late round draft pick.

Right now I don’t consider this to be too much of a compromise. Peyton Hillis didn’t really pan out in the offense and I wasn’t a fan of his fumble-itis, a 6th round pick all that big, and if the conditional pick isn’t higher than a 5th rounder it could work out well.

Question!: What number do you think Brady Quinn will take as a Bronco?

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  • hope is lost

    Oh boy not another lame no arm qb.what up with all the scraps fom other team crapy qbs.

  • http://manchester-architects.com T-Money

    I don't quite know how this is going to plan out, but I'm so shell shocked from the last two years that i don't really know why I'm surprised at all these moves. I like some of the pros that this kid brings to the table. And alot of his cons can be mended. I'm with you east. I don't have an opinion yet.

  • Andy

    I remember when we played the Browns a year or two ago, and I gotta say, I was impressed. We beat em but he looked pretty good. Cleveland has a terrible offense, so maybe with some weapons, he will do well. I think he is there to learn from Kyle and then take the reigns. But what does this mean for Barnstormer? With that said, what the hell do I know!

  • quinn

    Simms better go appy with UPS

  • Stav

    He did tear us up in his debut (i think), but it was typical bend but don't break denver defense that allowed that. We barely escaped with a win. I'm for it. He's got a slightly stronger arm than Orton, but whose more accurate. Good push for Orton, bye-bye Simms.

    Hillis had some early issues but was obviously never in McD's plans. Now all we have to do is get someone to bite on Marshall between picks 6-15, pick up Dez Bryant and Rolando McClain and pray that Ayers realizes he's playing in the NFL.

  • http://www.robertclarkmtfs.com/blog Robert Clark MTFS

    I think this is awesome! He has WAY more arm strength and accuracy than Orton. He is more mobile as well. I'm not saying he is the answer. I am saying that he never had a chance to succeed in Cleveland though so for the price we paid, he was worth taking a shot to see if he COULD be the answer.

    I expected all year that Orton wasn't giving a chance to throw the rock because McD simply didn't trust him. Apparently there is something to that or we wouldn't have made this trade. Perhaps we will see a more open offense next year?

    Hey, I might as well be optimistic right? :)

  • Jarrod

    Eh…I like the trade to be honest. I was always a fan of Hillis, but if McD isn't gonna use him we might as well trade him. In the end, I don't think we gave up too much for this guy and he's at least worth a shot. Hopefully the conditional pick isn't too high.

  • troyn

    I like the move. I watched a lot of Brady at ND. He has good arm strength, will fit the system, and has much better pocket presence, mobility and strength to avoid rushing lineman than KO. He had a tendency to throw jump balls on long throws at ND, but that may have been coaching as M. Stovall came down with a lot of them. Loved Hillis' skill set but he wasn't going to play in this system with this coach and we really gave up very little for a potential starting QB.

  • MrEast

    Schefter says it's a late round conditional pick, so it's probably a 5th at the highest. Hopefully that is.

  • MrEast

    I've never been for Dez Bryant… but now with these weak arm QB's and Marshall possibly leaving… I gotta change my tune.

  • MrEast

    He's coach-able, a good person, has great relationship with Ryan Harris, and a Subway sponsorship. Bring some free subs to Denver with you Brady.

    I don't really know what to say still. He has potential… and I guess it wasn't that much, gotta pull the trigger? The question mark is not a typo.

  • MrEast

    True that.

    He did tear up the Lions right?

  • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2582236 Elway4Life

    Nice! A QB with arm strength who can throw the ball down the field! Definitely worth a gamble in my opinion considering what we gave up. I did like Hillis but let's face it, in this offense and with Moreno he wasn't going to get much playing time.

    When Quinn started towards the end of the season (with no WRs I might add) he had games of: 304 yards, 4TDs, and 271, 3TDs (against SD). Not bad and he has better potential now with the Broncos! Well, if he still has Brandon Marshall to throw to that is! Lol.

    I feel a lot more comfortable and optimistic going into the season with either Brady Quinn or Brandstater at QB!

  • Bryan

    You guys are lucky. You got a good man that just never got a real chance here in Cleveland. Quinn will show everyone what he's got if given the proper chance. He will be a star quarterback. Good luck Brady!

  • Riverscanblowme

    Good trade even if he is just the backup. Simms was terrible in that role and although I love Hillis, apparently McDaniels doesn't and he wasn't going to see the field anyway (I.E. last year when every short yardage must was a bust… and Hillis sitting on the sideline). Quinn is smart and came from a good program using the same system we run here.

  • allen hale

    nice pickup donkeys! orton & quinn. goin to the top!! go chiefs!!!!

  • Joe

    This will prove to be one of thebest moves in francise history> Mcdaniels will turn him into a better patriots matt cassel

  • dogheadbrew

    I still have a soft spot for Hillis, but this is a good move value wise. I'm nervous that Clayton is citing Quinns accuracy as one of the major issues he was moved at fire sale price (at least for a 1st rounder). This could be a major steal, or a no-harm-no-foul move.

    My biggest fear is that McD sees Tom-Brady-Quinn and we're all about to get all Greised up for a QB/Coach over commitment part Doh!

    Please, Mr. East, tell me that I'm just remembering torments and driveways past.

  • MrEast

    Chiefs fans shouldn't really have a say in bashing Quinn, just look at your offensive coordinator.

    If KC actually waited to for Cassel to play a snap before awarding him with a $66 million contract Brady Quinn could very well be a Chief.

  • MrEast

    I do share that fear, but I'm quickly getting over it because apparently McDaniels isn't afraid to shake up any position. If Quinn ends up sucking he will be excised.

    Quinn was traded for trash picks and player who doesn't fit in, and Denver only pays him 700k (if only…) this season and 700k next. If Quinn receives more than 70% of the snaps then he gets 5.9 million. So the contract isn't all that bad in my opinion.

    Even if Quinn doesn't start he's a huge upgrade from Simms talent-wise and contract wise. Also this provides Denver with a safety blanket if someone is crazy enough to give a first up for Orton. If some team is that insane I'd think McX should act on it.

  • 12508

    we got better today. i dont think he will be the starter so its better than simms. i think hillis can play in this league and was doing well before he got hurt 2 years ago. its a good trade for both teams. what did we have to lose? i just hope that mcdaniels does not think this is the answer and forgets about getting rid of marshall. cutler was a farve wanna be and marshall is a little t.o. as soon as someone gives marshall a new contract they will be in trouble. get better on defense and get the run game going. if we cant do that we should give elway a call and see if he would comeback. he still looks better than anything we have. lol

  • Stav

    Yeah – I saw most of Quinn's college career at ND, but that means nothing in the NFL, still, I like the trade. Can we stop with the arm strength bs? The arm is strong enough (both Orton's and Quinn's), but its not like our offense is constantly throwing deep posts and fly patterns, just have enough heat and accuracy to hit the intermediate passes and we'll be fine.

    Is it true that Dez Bryant's 40 was 4.55? Spectacular and top 10 worthy that is not. We need guys who can open the field up and pose a deep threat, both of which Brandon Marshall IS NOT. Love the talent but Marshall's yds per catch has gone down 1 yd every year.

  • blueragoo

    I like this move. As has been said, I loved Peyton, but if McD wasn't gonna use him… We really didn't give up much, so it's low risk. Quinn has all kinds of up-side, and could do well with good coaching and a good system.

    I too remember that game two years ago, and I was impressed with his quick release. As I recall, we were trying to rattle him, and we just couldn't get to him in time. He also has a lot of passion and heart. I think he'll back Orton, and maybe eventually take over. In the mean time, I still like Brandstater, so–two good back-up options, good competition.

    Hopefully, that also means we concentrate on some other needs in the draft, getting a big-time ILB and/or OG especially (I think BM stays). So all in all, good value, smart move!

  • Tom9798

    This seems to be a good trade . . . the karmic clock is ticking . . . .

    As Elway4Life pointed out . . . Quinn has potential . . . thanks Bryan for the re-enforcement . . .

    This would have been too costly last year . . . but the time is right now . . .

    If I were Ben McDaniels, our QB coach . . . and Mike McCoy . . . our Offensive Coordinator . . . . I’d be very busy right now . . . .

    I’d have Brady Quinn throwing every day and so far into the playbook that the only thing I would let him watch on the VCR is Superbowl XXXII and XXXIII.

    Let it sink in . . . sink in deep . . . . we want you to win Back-to-Back Superbowls . . . that’s all . . .

    We beat the Packer’s in XXXII and their coach was Mike Holmgren . . . .

    It is about time that we combine the karmic fate of Marty Schottenheimer . . . the coach of Cleveland who we crushed more than once . . . . with a new heir . . . . who we have also beaten against all odds . . . .

    The time is now . . . . who know’s . . . . maybe he’ll throw a thousand ball’s at Marshall . . . .

    And there would be a new heir to Rod Smith . . . . these are exciting times to ponder!

  • Vic

    You guys think this will make Orton sign his tender in fear of loseing his starting job?

  • AtomicLeo

    Happy for Hillis. No idea why he never saw the field last year. He'll make an impact in Cleveland.

    As for Quinn, forget about starting over Orton. He's upgrade over Simms because he doesn't pee down both legs when gets on the field. He's not accurate at any level even though he has a stronger arm than Orton. Holmgren knows QBs. He's been coaching since 1986 and every QB under him has been outstanding. If Holgrem gave him away (and as much as I like Hillis he was a 4th string RB) then that is all I need to know if Quinn is a NFL starter. He is not.

  • anthony33

    Very interesting move that looks like a bargin right now. However, you can't too excited… if he was that good or had that much potential the Brown's would have never let him go.

    Definitely upgrades the QB positon.

    Hate to see Hillis go, but you have to think something else (in practice) was going on there.

    Did he ever play under Weiss? If so, that could be a big plus.

  • dogheadbrew

    Good point. Dumping LaMont Jordan shows his willingness to let go of “his” guys if need be. The value (both in what we gave up and contract) is definitely on our side. I have little doubt Quinn can be a solid backup and potential starter. I think for this to work we need to have a clear and committed starter next year (probably Orton), and let Quinn grow.

    No one in their right mind would take Orton for a 1st. He's not winning anybody a playoff game or superbowl for their 1st rounder. That said, if Orton and Marshall both left, three 1st round picks would be an intriguing prospect. Did I just hear the Bowlen check book start to hyperventilate?

    Who packs his bags first, Simms or Brandstander?

  • Riverscanblowme

    Yes, he played well under Weiss and should be able to pick up the system quickly.

  • http://manchester-architects.com T-Money

    But you have to consider who's in the draft and if we would really want to go about a quarterback. Plus having Quinn in Cleveland was kind of having Cutler in Chicago. Nobody to protect him, nobody to run for him, and nobody to protect him.

    I like that he takes risks and that he can run as well as throw, and his accuracy isn't all that bad. What I like about it is that it will (hopefully) bring back the play action bootleg and create more space for KnoMo and it's a key aspect to the spread offense.

    Still. i just don't know how I feel about it.

  • MrEast

    When you break it down to numbers it's not so bad.

    Chris Simms has a salary 2.54 million this year, and we know how terrible he was this season. Whereas Quinn has a contract of 700k and has a ton of more potential than Simms.

    I'm not really missing Hillis, he needed another offensive system.

  • MrEast

    Chris Simms has a salary 2.54 million this year, he's a goner.

  • Nathan

    Great trade for us, we gave up essentially nothing to get a guy near level of our starting QB or maybe better. This didn't hurt us at all as P-Hill didn't ever get a chance to show himself for McD and probably wasn't going to get it this year either. We almost got Quinn last year but didn't want to give up a 1st the Browns wanted in return, instead we waited a year and got him for a 7th rounder that didn't contribute to the system anymore, and two more 6ths(likely).

    Quinn has a lot better of an arm than Orton, played in a similar system to what McD ran in college and was very successful. He's a hard worker and smart, two things McD values highly in his QBs. At worst we over pay him to be a back up for a couple seasons and wasted those picks, likely he ends up starting and he's average becoming worth more than the picks we give, ideally he reaches his potential in Denver and is our answer for years to come for giving up a 3rd year full back(with 1 good year as a RB) and a couple picks that wouldn't have worked out for our team for a couple years at least.

  • MrEast

    I used to think Holmgren knew QBs, until he decided to anoint Jake Delhomme the starter.

    Al Davis was once considered a great football mind too.

    As for Hillis leaving, I could really care less. Hillis wasn't spectacular and he was more of a fan favorite than anything else. I love him as a person and I hope does well elsewhere but this offense just isn't for him. Also the fact that he fumbled the ball on kickoffs didn't help. He is considered a truck but he got stuffed hardcore on third and shorts this season.

  • Adrenaline27

    I like it, not bad for what we gave up. Looking at the Draft Quinn is just as good as the QBs coming out.

    We need Marshall. Please Offer him a contract and pay him what he is worth on the field.

  • willll

    oh no.

  • kerry

    and the hits just keep on coming. this guy is as bad as Orton is. he is HORRIBLE inaccurate and his arm rivals Ortons as worst in the league. im sure he is a nice guy though. thats what really matters in this team now. bend over and take it, yes man players with inferior talent. somebody please shoot me now.

  • gduck

    Ok…
    We trade Peyton Hillis who is a Fullback, perhaps situational running back at best….and a sixth round pick plus a late round pick in 2012 for a former first round draft pick quarterback with tons of records from ND……this quarterback did nothing his first few years, his former team questions his “accuracy” according to John Clayton on ESPN and then sign a FA who threw 5 ITs in the playoffs two years ago……the kid is young, talented, has a good head on his shoulders and we gave away nothing or minimal value and a player for whatever reason didn't get on the field and contribute….didn't Steve Young get a bad rep in Tampa Bay his first few years???? How did he end up…???? I aint saying Quinn is Steve Young….but what player has done well in Cleveland the past 10+ years??????? I like this trade….upgrades one of our weakest positions even if it is just a backup…would you rather have Quinn or Simms?????? I'm going with Quinn after what I saw last year…….

  • broncoinva9986

    YAY FREE EAS SUPPLEMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • broncoinva9986

    Orton 1 Quinn 2 than Branstater…..bye bye simms

  • MrEast

    Why? It doesn't get worse than Simms. All in all this is a good trade, trash for potential and a much cheaper backup QB who's much better.

  • CJ

    i love this trade! I have nothing against orton…. hes alright and a whole lot better than plummer or greisy. ethis gives use a great backup

    as for what number he wheres??Im assuming 10 but its a new start for him maybe a new number is in order……..not 6! maybe 5 or 4 ya never know maybe he will ask john elway for 7

  • drewlitton

    I think this is a good deal for the Broncos. I expect McDaniels to coach this kid much the way he did Matt Cassell. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery to succeed. Peyton Hillis was never in any of McDaniels future plans so the Broncos gave up little for Quinn. I actually believe he will be the Broncos starting quarterback, if not for the season opener, then certainly by mid-season. There's huge upside here. We might look back on this one as a turning point. Then again, I've been wrong about McDaniels on just about every account. If nothing else, the Quinn trade adds a little excitement in an otherwise boring season of free agency for the Broncos.

  • anthony33

    kerry,
    surprised at your reaction to this… got him for a good price and while he is not franchise material he is a whole lot better than Simms… and cheaper too. Like Orton, he is the long term answer, but he is definitely worth a shot and I'd much rather have him coming off the bench than Simms… especially after what we saw last year.

    Still hope they take a shot at Leveour or Pike in the draft.

  • gduck

    Ok….
    We trade Peyon Hillis who is a fullback or a situational running back at best plus a 6th round pick this year and a conditional in 2011 for a 1st round QB with tons of records at ND……According to John Clayton at ESPN the Browns traded him due to his “inaccuracy” but then go and sign a FA (Delhomme) who threw 5 INTs in the playoffs 2 years ago…..which player has been successful in Cleveland in the past 10 years???? Which other QB was stuck with a horrible team his first handful of years and they questioned his capabilities???? How about Steve Young? How did he turn out? I am not saying Quinn is like Steve Young but put him in a system and surround him with coaching and talent and see what happens…..he is young, talented, and isn't a head case (insert D. Russell, R. Leaf) and see what happens….at the worst he is a backup and given what I saw out of Simms last year, give me Quinn……….

  • gduck

    Ok….
    We trade Peyon Hillis who is a fullback or a situational running back at best plus a 6th round pick this year and a conditional in 2011 for a 1st round QB with tons of records at ND……According to John Clayton at ESPN the Browns traded him due to his “inaccuracy” but then go and sign a FA (Delhomme) who threw 5 INTs in the playoffs 2 years ago…..which player has been successful in Cleveland in the past 10 years???? Which other QB was stuck with a horrible team his first handful of years and they questioned his capabilities???? How about Steve Young? How did he turn out? I am not saying Quinn is like Steve Young but put him in a system and surround him with coaching and talent and see what happens…..he is young, talented, and isn't a head case (insert D. Russell, R. Leaf) and see what happens….at the worst he is a backup and given what I saw out of Simms last year, give me Quinn……….

  • Jack

    Can we see #6 again or #9

  • broncosfan

    It seems like Brady have no chance to be a starter huh! I want to see Orton gone because he can't run and he panics when under pressure.
    Brady may be the answer to the Broncos problem.

  • mikebirty

    Give Quinn #7 – there's no pressure associated with that shirt ;)

    Either that or he can have #10 and Gaffney can get a grown up number in the 80s.

  • thatwas

    Hey guys. Before you get all excited, the Browns fans couldn't stand him because he had no arm strength (they called him noodle arm), and had poor accuracy. He is mobile but seems to get broken bones easily with perhaps what are “freak hits” but they were not obvious hits that would seem to hurt a guy. I think he did lose some confidence in Cleveland as did Derek Anderson, and so by the end of the year, neither were even allowed to throw the ball unless absolutely necessary. Brady had descent line play in Cleveland. But, if you are thinking he has a strong or accurate arm, these are actually his weaknesses and this was the book on him coming out of college as well. He is a hard worker, and hopefully your fans will not get into a Bradymania to where the other guys will not have a chance to play before the fans because the fans will cheer when they get hurt just so Brady can come in. It really became a ruthless situation in Cleveland. But, good luck Bronc fans and I hope the deal works for you. I will cheer for Brady because he is an Ohio boy and did give it his all in Cleveland.

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