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Published on 07/15/2009 at Wed Jul 15 14:55.
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Kyle Orton in 2008 (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)

Kyle Orton in 2008 (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)

We’re continuing Kyle Orton Week with a three-part series: Kyle Orton: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Here’s part one.

Shortly after Jay Cutler was traded to the Chicago Bears, Peter King of SI.com reported that QB Kyle Orton was the crucial piece to the trade puzzle the other potential suitors were missing.

The key to the trade was Kyle Orton…. (Head Coach Josh McDaniels), who watched every offensive snap of more than 10 Bears games with Orton playing, got more and more impressed with Orton’s arm, his decision-making and his ability to extend plays when the pocket broke down. You can think and I can think it’s crazy he didn’t like (Redskins QB Jason Campbell) — who got Washington off to a 6-2 start last year — more than he liked Orton, but it’s the unvarnished truth. McDaniels thinks he can win with Orton.

Interesting. Either McDaniels is crazy (and depending on who you ask, he is), or there really is something there. So let’s give KO the benefit of the doubt for the purposes of this article. What did McDaniels see in Orton to sway him towards the Neckbeard? Let’s look at some highlights.

Arm strength: While he won’t make anyone forget Jay Cutler, you can see his arm gives the ball enough distance and velocity to make any pro QB throw. The clips at :30, :50, and :56 stand out when analyzing Orton’s arm strength, and you can see he isn’t lacking in that department.

Protection: Also note that, in the vast majority of these plays, Orton is given fantastic protection by his offensive line. That wasn’t always the case while he was with Chicago, but it’s encouraging to see that he can make some highlight-reel throws when given enough time in the pocket. The entire Broncos offensive line played at a Pro Bowl level last year and will give Orton the time he needs.

Speed: Both in footwork and decision-making. Orton shows he is capable of stepping back swiftly and using good footwork (although a few of those throws show a bit of sloppiness in that area). More importantly, Orton is able to see an open man and make a decision. Take another look at the :50 mark. Given plenty of time, Orton is able to step back (it looks like a seven-step drop, but hard to tell based on the editing), eye a receiver, eye another, then return to his first man, now open at the back of the end zone, and deliver the football swiftly and accurately. What’s more: this all takes place in less than five seconds.

Now let’s take a look at some scouting reports. From Pro Football Weekly in 2008 (via FootabllsFuture.com):

Positives: Good size and field vision. Has shown improved touch and decision-making and will get rid of the ball instead of taking coverage sacks. Can zip the ball with velocity, make back-shoulder throws and shows good overall accuracy when his feet are set and he steps into his throws. Appeared in rhythm early in the year with a healthy group of receivers. Solid work ethic. Will play through pain.

What about Orton beyond the role of Game Manager? Is there enough there to rely on him to carry the team if needed? Potentially – particularly if you consider that he’s being dubbed a fantasy football sleeper an indication that he can tally the stats with the best of ’em. From the National Football Post:

If you go into your fantasy draft this August without Orton’s name in the back of your mind, you’re better off turning in your entry fee and getting ready for fantasy basketball. There was a five-game stretch in 2008 in which Orton was one of the NFL’s top fantasy quarterbacks, throwing for 1,370 yards and 10 touchdowns with just four interceptions…. Grab Orton as your QB2 with the intention of starting him at some point this year. He’s going to put up some numbers.

This is particularly true when you consider the offensive talent the Broncos boast compared to what Orton has to put up with in Chicago. If Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal are both considered fantasy studs, shouldn’t the guy throwing them the ball get some consideration as well?

Finally, what do his teammates and coaches have to say? Here’s high praise from Bears tight end Greg Olson:

“We feel that he’s turned into one of the top guys in the league. Besides the physical tools and being able to make all the throws, he’s a guy with total command of the game plan and the offense. He gets us in and out of good plays.”

Here’s a nugget from Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner:

“It’s his fourth year in the system. He’s got a real good feel for it mentally, and physically he’s playing the best football that I’ve seen him play. He’s playing really well, with a lot of confidence.”

Of course, these quotes come near the end of Orton’s seven-game hot streak he enjoyed to start last year.

Does this tell the whole story? Of course not. There’s a reason the Broncos received Orton and two first-round draft picks for Cutler. At least we can see why McDaniels wanted Orton among all the available quarterbacks at the time of the trade. The point of this edition of this Good, Bad and Ugly series is simply to point out that Orton is capable of being a good quarterback in the NFL, and has shown that at different points in his career. What’s more, there’s potential for some of the most exciting highlight-reel plays of his career as he takes control of an offense much more loaded with weapons than that in Chicago (speaking of highlights, you can view more here and here). Stay tuned for the other side, where we take a look at the Bad, and the Ugly (yes, there is Ugly)…

  • DC

    If Orton proves he can play in McD’s system and play well, McD and Orton will stiffle the naysayers (kerry), I hope they put it together! McD may just turn from @#$%$#!!!! to genius.

  • buckeyebronc

    Well, if we play Illinois or the Lions every week, I think we’ll be alright.

  • broncoNM

    To be honest when i heard we traded for Orton i was bummed and immediately thought of other QB’s we should go after via trade or draft. I too was surprised when a trade never went down with the skins involving campbell. We are all skeptical of Orton especially when comparing him to Cutler. I think the upside to Orton is that he has experience and he had mild success in a horrible offense. As we all know this all hinges on how well McD can mold and prepare Orton. I understand that this was a highlight reel and Orton has a wide collection of bad throws on film…But he is capable and McD should be able to create a much more comfortable short, horiziontal offense for him. I agree with kyle that protection will play a big part in KO’s success. If he can set and throw he should be fine. I dont blame all the doom and gloomers but i really think McD has a good shot at pulling this off.

  • Andpark

    broncoNM is the king of doom and gloom for a day and then coming around. I seem to remmeber on the live blog”Moreno, Moreno? We are screwed!”. Cutler trade “Orton, Orton? We are screwed!” Ha.

    This is all on McD now, I watched the Cassel highlight vids NM posted and all are throws Orton can make. In fact watching those I can’t wait to see Moreno be Faulk, Royal be Welker and Marshall be Moss. Add in the mix Scheff, Graham and Hillis and that is still a scary Offense.

    Please keep in mind Kyle was sacked 27 times last year compared to 11 for Jay. That is a huge difference for a guy like Kyle that is not mobile at all.

  • Joe H.

    I think that KO will do just fine. I’m more worried about defense. If McD fixed our “D” then I think the Broncos will surprise alot of people and make them eat crow(KERRY!!!).

  • Moose

    Look, nobody is saying Orton is the next Elway but so far neither has Cutler. While Cutler has some things physically over Orton I think where Orton will succeed is the mental aspects of the game. And in this already high powered offense with a great offensive line he can succeed. No one talks about Brady’s arm strength but they always talk about his mental abilities in the game. Orton can be in the same boat here. Not saying he is Brady but brains win more games in the NFL at the quarterback spot than physical ability.

  • http://myspace.com/paraleipsis jchase8410

    A couple good throws on a highlight reel, and suddenly this guy is Tom Brady? PFFFFFFFTTT!!!!! A retarded one armed monkey could be named QB and you guys would proclaim him HOF material. This waste of a roster spot is a shitty QB and putting on a Broncos jersey isn’t going to change that…Ha, I beat Kerry to the punch! Now what can he say?

  • Brian

    Truth be known, the one thing that Kyle Orton posses that Jay Cutler probably didn’t…. Pat Powlen’s cell phone number! Let’s move on to better times GO BRONCOS

  • Brian

    Truth be known, the one thing that Kyle Orton posses that Jay Cutler probably didn’t…. Pat Powlen’s cell phone number!

  • Joe H.

    Is jchase and Kerry the same person!!!!

  • DC

    Nickname:

    Robert “Million” Ayres

    sorry I’m bored

  • http://ttmt.com T-Money

    Kyle- I think you need to make you last comments bolded and flashing in really big letters. That way people would actually read that one part about how it’s not the whole story. Just throwing that out there.

    jchase8410-

    Dude. You need to just read the words and hold off on the judgeing and the rash decision making. What the article was trying to imply was that Orton has the CAPABILITY and the POTENTIAL to be a good qb in this league. It is not implying that he is better that jay cutler. Nor is it saying that he is the next john elway. Nor a Tom Brady. When you do a 3 piece story entitled “the good the bad and the ugly” you have to empathize each on. Kyle Orton is Kyle Orton and he will bring his game to the table. No matter what. Whether that is good or the bad or the ugly, is nothing that you, me, kerry, or broncotalk.net will know until the sunday he takes the field.

  • http://myspace.com/paraleipsis jchase8410

    I guess people didn’t get that my last comment was a pre-emptive strike. It is in no way the way I actually feel, just what I knew Kerry would say. I figured if I already said it, he would have nothing to say later. I think that KO will work out just fine in the Denver offense. The numbers he put up while at Purdue (a spread offense) give me a little bit of HOPE for him. He can make the throws when he has time to step into it. With Denver’s OL one thing he will have plenty of is time.

  • robtink242

    hey guys there a link there of how Phillip Rivers was shooled by a high school student http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Philip-Rivers-gets-beat-by-a-high-schooler-does?urn=nfl,176581

  • anthony33

    One thing that sticks out in my mind is when ‘the trade’ was consummated was the reaction and comments from teammates on both teams. The Bears were very complementary of Orton, especially Urlacher, the team leader, in praising him as a winner and a true leader. You could feel the respect they had for him. On the other hand, what did you hear from the Broncos camp on Cutler…nothing.

    I know it means very little in terms of what’s next, but there is meaning in those reactions. Three more weeks and the next chapter begins!

  • craig

    The Good: Orton is only signed for this year.
    The Bad: His 161.2 yards, .9 TDs, .8 Int’s per game averages.
    The Ugly: Possibly playing with one of the worst defenses of all-time

  • craig

    Hey Gringo,

    Maybe you forgot to read this:

    We welcome your thoughts! However, comments must abide by the BroncoTalk Comments Policy – basically, stay on-topic and be respectful (especially of others). GO BRONCOS!

  • GRINGO-DANCER

    Hey Craig,

    Maybe this can be interpreted many different ways. Such as my comments about you. Of which is obviously a blinded and simple way to show my opposition to your comments about Orton. Blinded as so far as in no way can acctually be proven or taken seriously on this site. As for your comments about Orton you are actually stating you think he sucks and he should be out of Denver before he has even had a chance to play a game.

    As for staying on topic headline reads: “Kyle Orton: The Good”. You were the first to go off topic and not state one good thing about Orton, just fallowing your lead.

    As for being respectful (especially of others)… does this not include Kyle Orton?

  • DHB

    I hope Orton shows some of the good decision making and leadership. I’m not so sure we have much of a choice but to stick with him for the foreseeable future. Unloading next years draft picks like hot potatoes and no money in FA, and a looming CBA kerfuffle all lead me to think we will not have an opportunity for a major QB play for a bit.

    Although we could trade a cheerleader and a box of rollos to AZ for Leinart, and start working through all the QB head cases from the 06 draft.

  • craig

    Gringo,

    I know you’re new to this site, so I’ll help you out. I am on topic. This week is Kyle Orton Week: The Good, The Bad, and They Ugly. I might have not had anything positive to say about Kyle Orton, but at least I was talking about Kyle Orton. I’m sure your comment will be deleted but, again Kyle Orton is not off limits according to Broncotalk Comments Policy.

    http://broncotalk.net/comments-policy/

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    It almost goes without saying, but any type of racial, ethnic, or prejudicial comments will be removed right away. While insulting players/coaches is fine, be considerate of these players’ health. Excessive celebration in light of an injury to a player is incredibly classless and will be moderated.

  • kerry

    wow. ive never seen a QB hit a wide open receiver before that highlight video. Orton is amazing! why we didnt trade for this guy sooner is beyond me. sign him to a 100 million dollar contract right now. im so glad that we now have a game manager instead of a QB who can go out and win games instead of just playing not to lose.

    Jchase:

    quit piggybacking off of me and actually have some thoughts of your own. instead of whining about what i may post, post your thoughts about why Orton is good for the team.

  • kerry

    hey Gringo:

    leave me out of your little childish whining rants.

  • http://mrherculesrockefeller.blogspot.com herc rock

    Does Craig work here?

  • DHB

    Kerry,

    Is it possible that Ortorn choosing to throw to the wide open receiver is a good thing? Cutler was pretty sure he could hit BMarsh every down in week one last year, that’s not reading the field.

  • Dean

    DHB,

    What about Royal? Cutler seemed to find him some(91 Catches). Along with Stokley(49 Catches), Scheffler(40 Catches), Graham(32 catches.) Did Cutler force some throws yes, but he did spread the ball around. His biggest problem was not dumping to the back enough. He was only in his second full season, all QB’s go through growing pains.

    Look at his stats compared to Peytons 2nd full season:

    Jay Cutler 4526 yards 62.3 Comp.% 25 TD’s, 18 INT’s
    record for first 37 games: 17-20
    Peyton Manning 4135 yards, 62.1 Comp.%, 26 TD’s, 15 INT’s
    record for first 37 games: 19-18

    This is one of the reasons why myself, Kerry and others are pissed about Cutler being traded and the direction of this team.

  • DHB

    Dean,

    I’m pretty sure the consensus is that Cutler is a better talent than Orton and most of the rest of the league. Would I rather have Cutler in the fray, rather than looking for a lining, sure. But, Cutler did and does have his flaws. One of which, was keying on Marshal and forcing ill advised throws. With 4k in yards, the band has to have a couple catches. Sure his numbers match up with some good QBs, but the lack of scoring by the whole offense last season directly relates to poor decisions on Cutlers part. Will he get better, probably, but right now he is a high-risk high-reward guy. He can loose a games for you almost as well as he can win it.

    Finally, my other post was (partially) tongue-in-cheek, I’m sorry that didn’t come through. But I would have to say, if anything other than you ability to feed, clothe, house and protect you and your family is causing you this much heart-burn and angst; you should step back a minute and take a deep breath.

    Bottom line: Cutler is a better QB than Orton with more upside. Orton is a starting QB in the NFL, so he HAS to have some level of talent and skill.

  • DHB

    *your*

  • Dean

    DHB,

    It’s funny, everyone post Cutler has better talent but Orton is a smarter QB and Denver will be more effective in the red zone because he won’t force anything. Well Orton has 20 TD’s to 6 INT’s in the red zone for his career, while Cutler has 38 TD’s and 4 INT’s. Cutler wasn’t the reason this team was 16th in Scoring. Being down to the 7th string RB and a defense who couldn’t get off the field was…It was a huge mistake to let him go, especially since the defense has been awful. Once the defense gets impact players this team will back, but not this year.

  • broncoNM

    Dean,
    I agree with you that cutler was not the problem last year. He had little to no support and was forced to try and win games on his own. This link indicates that cutler had 5 red zone int’s last year. So a little over 1/4 of his int total last year was in the red zone… thats not great… but again we had no run game so he was forced to throw the ball. I do believe that orton can increase our red zone production because we will have a better running game and hopefully the system will allow wr’s like royal, stokely, gaffney, moreno, buckhalter to get open and make it easier on orton. I thought the offensive playbook last year was pretty stale especially in the red zone.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=9597

  • DHB

    When our ship has Swiss cheese for a hull, pointing at just one hole is a waste of time. Cutler Is NOT my scapegoat for last season. Here are some of the stats that I see as backing up my theory that Cutler can win or loose it for you, but it’ll be exciting, and Orton may make more efficient decisions, which would mean he needs more talent around him, but can still win.

    Red Zone passing:
    Cutler: 84 attempts, 17 TDs, 4 Ints (.202 TDs and .048 ints per att)
    Orton: 59att, 13TDs, 1 Int (.241 TDs and .019 Ints per att)

    3rd down passing (where a QB gets paid as some have said):
    Cutler: 150 Att, 10 TDs, 11 Ints (.067 TDs, .073 Ints per Att)
    Orton: 124 Att, 4 TDs, 3 Ints ( .032 TDs, .024 Ints per Att)

    That is very simple comparison, and I’m not saying Orton is a god, but he has a chance to keep the weakest part of our team off the field.

    I appologize for not having the reference, but I did read the best way to win a football game is:
    1) Have a 100 yard rusher
    2) Have the ball longer than your opponent
    3) Turn the ball over less than your opponent

    If Orton helps us do any one of those three, it will be a big step forward.