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Published on 11/18/2011 at Fri Nov 18 09:50.
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Tim Tebow

Tim Tebow #15 of the Denver Broncos prays during the final minute of the game against the New York Jets at Sports Authority Field at Mile High on November 17, 2011 in Denver, Colorado. (Garrett W. Ellwood/Getty Images)

A vote of confidence can often be the virtual death sentence for a struggling coach or quarterback in the NFL. If the person in charge has to use words to emphasize what isn’t clear on the field, someone is in trouble.

This is not one of those cases.

The Denver Broncos have found their quarterback of the future, and his name is Tim Tebow. Just ask Pat Bowlen.

From a phenomenal piece by Ian O’Connor on ESPNNewYork.com:

As Elway all but sprinted through the winning locker room, his chest bursting through his suit jacket, he said, “Just give him a chance to win the game.” Asked what it was like to watch Tebow perform an endgame act he himself had mastered, Elway said, “It was great. Awesome.”

Broncos owner Pat Bowlen was heading for a different exit door when he stopped long enough to declare that Tebow would be his man for many moons to come.

“He’s a quarterback, and believe me he’s going to learn,” Bowlen said. “I believe he’ll be a great one. Better keep him around.”

Just like that, the direction in which this franchise is moving is clear. The Broncos will rise or fall with Tebow. They will put up with 55 minutes of terrible stat lines and erratic passes now to capitalize on the magic he produces in a game’s final minutes. They believe those 55 terrible minutes won’t always be part of the equation; they believe that Tim Tebow will get better. They will let him learn, they will mold an offense to his strengths, and they believe he will flourish.

Last night was a pivotal moment for this franchise. If Tebow’s 95-yard comeback truly changed the course of Broncos history, it is indeed worthy of Broncos lore. We just witnessed The Drive 2. The Experiment is over. The Investment has begun.

The Broncos of today are different from the Broncos of yesterday.

  • Anonymous

    Jack Kenedy, Jack Lalaine, Jack of all trades. . .

  • Tom9798

    No jd . . . they are not free . . . they live in the dark . . . they, like many . . . are closet Raider fans . . . turn back while you can . . .
    Ooooooooooohhhhhhhooooooooooo . . . .

  • King

    Lol.  No one “worships” Tebow.  He has flaws that he is working on. 

    In the meantime, try to enjoy the wins.  If you can. 

  • King

    It wouldn’t have mattered if Tebow was drafted in the first round or the 6th.  Even Fox has said that Tebow is essentially a rookie because of his lack of starts and lack of OTA’s in the offseason due to the lockout. 

    The problem with you is, “you can’t handle the truth”.  lmao

  • Anonymous

    Again, you are leaving out Lloyd for some strange reason!
    Also, go watch the chiefs game again. 6 of his 8 passes hit the hands of the WRs. The one he threw into the dirt was a “throw away” pass. Would you have rather him rocket it into the upper deck of the stadium? A throw away is a throw away (John Fox said it was a throw away, so don’t even try to dispute it). The other pass was a bad pass.
    Let’s recap shall we?
    6 of 8 passes hit receivers in hands
    1 pass was intentional throw away
    1 pass was a bad pass

    My stance on timing is in direct response to you stating that his completion percentage is down and that:
    [QUOTE]claiming a lack of reps with the #1 offense is an extremely lame excuse.[/QUOTE] <— that is your direct quote, which is you in fact saying that timing isn't a factor of his low completion percentage. Now, feel free to change said quote in your earlier post if you want to, but this right here is what you said verbatim. Lloyd is the other part of his completion percentage going down.
    Bye bye now troll :wave:

  • Anonymous

    Here ya go, just for future reference in case you decide to weazle your way out by changing your post to make yourself not sound so incompetent.

  • Anonymous

    grrr wrong one. here is the right one :)

  • Anonymous

    Maybe reading comprehension just isn’t your game Ike. I know, let’s have a spelling contest :)) lol
    Listen McJD, Tebow worked out in the offseason. He had throwing coaches, he had trainers, etc… He did more to work on the game of football this offseason than Orton and Quinn COMBINED! How and why you claim he did nothing is beyond me.

  • Anonymous

    Hmm… Let’s see….
    Here is an article about Tebow attending the Brian Dawkins’ training.
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2011-05-19-tim-tebow-workout_N.htm

    And here is an article about Tebow FLYING guys from the Broncos out to train with him in Florida… All on Tebow’s dime mind you!
    http://www.broncoszone.net/2011/05/broncos-quarterback-tim-tebow.html

    And let’s not forget when we drafted our guys this year, Tebow again, on his own dime, bought Von Miller workout clothes, food, etc and had him work out with Tebow to help build camaraderie.
    http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17987103

    I swear dude, just stop while you’re behind. The more you try, the worse you look. You see, you think that I’m some random Tebow Jock Sniffer, but I’m not. I hated the fact that we drafted him, BUT, unlike you, I won’t let blind hate form my opinion on him and our team in general. I want the Broncos to succeed, and part of the reason why we are being so successful at the moment is indeed, Tebow. Is he perfect? No, not even close, but for whatever reason, our team as a whole plays better with him under center. He has a lot of room to grow, and if he is given that time, and he indeed does get better, our team will be once again sitting atop of the NFL.

    Hate if you must, but don’t for even a second think that you are arguing against a guy who isn’t educated, level headed, and more knowledgeable on the subject than most.

  • Anonymous

    Again, this is a team sport that requires many many hours, days, and years of practice in order to get timing and chemistry down.
    Tebow, Quinn, Orton, Breeze, Rodgers, Manning, Brady, etc can all hire as many people as they want to look at film with them, or to “mentor” them, but unless those people work for the team, it won’t help them in the most important phase of playing football, namely, timing/chemistry/whatever you want to call it.

    Hip hip hooray, you linked an article about Quinn hiring someone to watch his what, 2 or 3 games his rookie year, and then a game or two his 2nd year, and then tell him to play baseball? Man, you are really reaching deep down for anything to show that he did more this offseason than Tebow.

    You saying I ignorantly assumed you were talking about the Dawkins workout is like me saying that “Tebow rushed for 43 yards and a TD” and then when you say “no no no, he rushed for 68 yards and a TD against the Jets”, and then me saying “you ignorantly assumed I was talking about the Jets, I was really talking about his game vs kansas city.”

  • Anonymous

    You do realize that even ex football players, coaches, and GMs who have gone on record as saying that they don’t think Tebow will ever make it all agree that you can compare Tebow’s first 8 starts with anyone else’s first 8 starts, including rookies. They simply say that nobody should call him a rookie because he isn’t, which is why I don’t say he is a rookie, but will compare his first 8 starts with anyone elses.

  • Noskills07

    He says he will get better at passing, takes it one day at a
    time… and seeing this in the past.. he is the hardest worker I’ve ever
    seen when it comes to a sport. So in regards to him getting better at
    passing… like that one song goes at the beginning “don’t worry
    everything’s gonna be alright “! < it will come and a side note when
    his contract is up and he has shown he can learn how to pass the ball
    don't be surprised when they guy turns down "the big contract" to better
    the team! That's what's up

  • Anonymous

    Let’s see, him overthrowing Decker by 1 foot against the Jets was a throw that he needs to get better at. But then again, that takes timing, which we all know you think has no bearing on anything.
    There was also a pass against the Jets that he threw towards Thomas, but he dropped it. Thomas should have made that catch, but Tebow also could have made it easier for him to catch it.

    I am critical of Tebow when criticism is warranted. I have said in many many posts that he needs to get better. The thing is that you don’t want to give him time to get better, and want him to play like Elway did in year 15. Guess what? That’s not gonna happen this year! Hell, it may never happen, but we need to have an ounce of patience in order to find out.

    Also, part of what made Elway so damn amazing was his ability to run and make athletic plays with his legs that most QBs couldn’t. So yes, I think that part of the reason Elway was the #1 overall pick was because of his athleticism. Also, Elway didn’t beat anybody out of anything, he was given the starting job. Want to compare 1st downs Elway’s first 8 games against Tebow’s? Go right ahead, but I’m telling you right now, I’m not even going to attempt to find those numbers. I mean, do they make stats that track 1st downs that individual players got? Do you count 1st downs Elway threw for? ran for? handed the ball off for? Same with Tebow. I have no interest in trying to decipher that kind of info, but if you do, knock yourself out. I’ll anxiously await your findings, but please provide the links so I know you’re not making things up.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, our D is really gelling. Our line is playing so much better than I thought they would/could. I’m sure some of it is because of the Miller/Doom effect, because those offensive linemen need to focus on those 2 guys each play, whether they are rushing or not. That frees up the rest of the DL to make plays. Just imagine our D if we can keep drafting quality players! THING OF BEAUTY!!!!

  • Anonymous

    here here brother!

  • Anonymous

    jd you make me laugh too… But not in the same way JJ does… Here I’m laughing with you…

    Or as with this, shrugging with you.

  • Anonymous

    “Disciples gonna disciple.”

    Can I get an amen?!?

  • Anonymous

    You know after thinking about this whole TT phenomenon it really does make me think back to when I was 20 years old…

    I had been in the Army for 3 years already and this new dude from Stanford was traded for after he refused to play for the (even more than the Broncos) dismal Colts and their coach. I liked the dude already for doing something I couldn’t at that time; he bucked the system. So I made it a point to find out as much about this “new dude” as I could. Long story shorter, after doing so I thought we had finally found a guy the was going to QB us into the future after all the years with no QB at all really from Charlie Johnson to Steve DeBerg and tons of mediocrity in between.

    While here on the home front this “new dude” was taking a blistering from media and fans alike I was in Korea sporting my Elway jersey and fist fighting any one that had something to say about it or the Broncos. And to many surprises this “new dude” developed and turned into the guy we ALL had hoped for and ended up, in the long run, handing us (with help) two trophies.

    For “newer” and some older Broncos fans I’m kind of not seeing this any different. We were in “dire need” of someone to hang our hopes on back then and are back to being in “dire need” to do the same and its clear to me that a lot of fans are doing exactly that now. Now I’m not comparing John to Tim in any other way than the “dire need” as mentioned. Comparing them side by side is to ANYONE comparing Apples to Oranges as someone else mentioned in a different thread. Just as we did back then when SOME of us anointed him the greatest he had only won a hand full of games SOME are now doing the same thing with Tim… Its not that much different than what we did then.

    When, and yes if, he looses a number in a row SOME will attack just as they did then. As back then, it will happen even if he wins a bunch. I’ve stated when I will believe so no sense repeating but these roads are quite similar in the way I have stated. As with back then Time Will Tell.

    In the mean time we’ll keep talking about it and weather or not I or any one else buys in yet or not we are ALL Broncos fans and I as well have and will continue to enjoy this place to speak our minds as we please!

    We can only ALL truly hope that if TT isn’t the answer, it comes around soon, very soon. We are in dire need for our next hero!

  • Anonymous

    You know after thinking about this whole TT phenomenon it really does make me think back to when I was 20 years old…

    I had been in the Army for 3 years already and this new dude from Stanford was traded for after he refused to play for the (even more than the Broncos) dismal Colts and their coach. I liked the dude already for doing something I couldn’t at that time; he bucked the system. So I made it a point to find out as much about this “new dude” as I could. Long story shorter, after doing so I thought we had finally found a guy the was going to QB us into the future after all the years with no QB at all really from Charlie Johnson to Steve DeBerg and tons of mediocrity in between.

    While here on the home front this “new dude” was taking a blistering from media and fans alike I was in Korea sporting my Elway jersey and fist fighting any one that had something to say about it or the Broncos. And to many surprises this “new dude” developed and turned into the guy we ALL had hoped for and ended up, in the long run, handing us (with help) two trophies.

    For “newer” and some older Broncos fans I’m kind of not seeing this any different. We were in “dire need” of someone to hang our hopes on back then and are back to being in “dire need” to do the same and its clear to me that a lot of fans are doing exactly that now. Now I’m not comparing John to Tim in any other way than the “dire need” as mentioned. Comparing them side by side is to ANYONE comparing Apples to Oranges as someone else mentioned in a different thread. Just as we did back then when SOME of us anointed him the greatest he had only won a hand full of games SOME are now doing the same thing with Tim… Its not that much different than what we did then.

    When, and yes if, he looses a number in a row SOME will attack just as they did then. As back then, it will happen even if he wins a bunch. I’ve stated when I will believe so no sense repeating but these roads are quite similar in the way I have stated. As with back then Time Will Tell.

    In the mean time we’ll keep talking about it and weather or not I or any one else buys in yet or not we are ALL Broncos fans and I as well have and will continue to enjoy this place to speak our minds as we please!

    We can only ALL truly hope that if TT isn’t the answer, it comes around soon, very soon. We are in dire need for our next hero!

  • Anonymous

    Damn you summed it up beautifully!!!
    I think when you take out the “he’s a future HOF player” and the “he will never ever ever make it” people, you’ll find that the rational fans all have pretty much the same attitude, and it is of the “let’s wait and see” approach.

    QBs take time to develop. I don’t think there has been a single QB with the exception of Dan Marino that “hit the ground running and never looked back.”

    Unitas needed time, Bradshaw needed time, Staubach needed time, Montana, Young, Elway, Favre, Kelly, P. Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, E. Manning, they all needed time to grow, but more importantly, they were GIVEN time to develop and grow.

    Even the young guys who had instant success like Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco and Sanchez all did it not because they were good QBs, but because they had a great team around them. Roethlisberger rarely passed more than 8 times his rookie year. I think the high was 11 and low was like 5, yet they won the super bowl. Roethlisberger was on that team, but they won despite him being their QB, not because he was their QB. Same can be said for Flacco, Ryan, and Sanchez.

    Why people expect us to win BECAUSE of Tebow is beyond me. Yes, he has the “it” factor and apparently has the ability to lift the entire team, both offense, defense and special teams; however, if our team is to have success for the next few years while Tim learns how to be a great QB, it will have to be because we are winning despite having him on our team. Like the other young QBs before him, Tebow will win games for us from time to time, or at least contribute heavily to wins, but without a full team effort (whether it’s Tebow lifting our whole team, or maybe just our team improving naturally), any team with a young QB will struggle.

    I think Tebow has the potential and leadership to be great, but he isn’t great yet. As with any young player, there needs to be a larger body of work than what Tebow has before anyone can state for fact that he will be great, is great, or never will be great, and quite simply, there just isn’t enough evidence to completely support or completely dispel any of those notions. While there is certainly ongoing evidence that points in certain directions, more evidence is needed before we can speak factually about him as a player.
     

  • LookN4H2O

    The Tebow of today is not what he will be in a few seasons. This kid can and will be better, there are not a lot of young Qb’s that start off nfl ready.Does he have things to work on YES is he polished now NO. What he has you just can’t teach or learn. He gives us hope for the future which has been missing for a long time, just imagine when his passing game catches up with the rest of his game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1661815662 Gail O’Shea

    Does anyone remember when Elway started at QB??  I swear these same conversations were taking place..and look what evolved when he was given a chance to grow into the role????

  • Jretwel

    You must learn to read more carefully.  QB in the draft is the dicussion and the response reminded the readers that any of these young men coming out of college might be very similar to Orton.

  • Anonymous

    You are ridiculous.   For weeks now, you have been saying Tebow was awful and would never be a good QB, now after he goes 4-1 you change your tune. 
    You are in “dire need” for your next hero sandwich is all… seriously ridiculous

  • Anonymous

    If you have ever read anything I’ve said, mostly in this post, you would know I have not changed my tune one little bit. Once again you show what an imature idiot you are. Thank you for proving my point for me.

    I knew you wouldnt fail at that… You just simplly cant help your self, I know, everyone knows… Come on, do it again!

  • King

    Hanging 40 point on the Jets with their pass defense?  Not gonna happen.  Not with Tebow, Orton, or Quinn

  • King

    Good point Jim.  It is good to see Doom softening his stance a little.  But what if we lose?  lol. 

  • flbronc

    griffin was the guy i would have out of the elite group.  i watched him play on saturday night, and now i think i have him in it.

  • Anonymous

    I am ok with admitting to be wrong if Tebow loses.  If Tebow goes 0-6 to end the season I will be the first one to admit that I was wrong about him.  But I don’t think that is going to happen.  I think the Broncos win at least three out of the next six games. 

  • Anonymous

    So your question was not, “At what point is Tebow gonna good enough for you to admit he is the QB of the future?”
    Asked and answered.  You might want to read more carefully next time.

  • Anonymous

    Like being able to add?  What was that about teaching algebra again?  Tebow has the same group of receivers to work with he had last year, including Lloyd up to when he was traded.  Even eliminating Lloyd from that group is still 4/5 which amounts to nothing.  Claiming anything else is an outright lie.
    I saw the game 2 drops 1 throw away and 3 bad passes.  The drops were to Decker and Ball.

  • Anonymous

    Prove it.  Who did he work out with other than Lloyd or maybe you’re trying to weasel out of your post where you stated otherwise?  Where is this magic coach that Tebow worked out with?  I’ve seen your post about working with Lloyd and Dawkins and Miller. 
    You should try reading yourself sometime.  Especially when you go about making ignorant claims.

  • Anonymous

    Really?  So far all you’ve been doing is making excuses, apologizing and worshiping.

  • Anonymous

    If you’re not some random Tebow jock sniffer why do you continue to make excuses?  If you were remotely level headed you would have a better argument then your claim that somehow trading Lloyd mid-season eliminated all of the receivers on the roster.  What is with the simplistic need to always claim people who aren’t sniffing Tebow’s jock are haters?  It really makes you look foolish.

  • Anonymous

    That’s it make the ignorant claim that the only way to work on your game is with the team and the coaching staff.  That is beyond retarded and moronic.  The only item that requires team workouts is timing and getting familiar with your teammates.  In fact if Tebow knows what he is doing wrong throwing the ball he doesn’t any one else to work with.
    It is clear that you’ve never participated in any activity where you’ve had to work on skills outside of a structured work environment.  You’re blindly stuck on this foolish idea that the only way a player can work on their game is within the confines of the team workouts.  That is patently false. 
      

    “Quinn couldn’t find a QB coach that had any affiliation to the NFL.
    That’s why this offseason was so big of a deal. Who could Quinn have
    hired as a coach to work with him? His QB coach from Notre Dame?”

    “The Dawkins workouts were conditioning workouts, of which Quinn was a regular attendee.”

    “You saying I ignorantly assumed you were talking about the Dawkins
    workout is like me saying that “Tebow rushed for 43 yards and a TD” and
    then when you say “no no no, he rushed for 68 yards and a TD against the
    Jets”, and then me saying “you ignorantly assumed I was talking about
    the Jets, I was really talking about his game vs kansas city.”"

    Try reading comprehension sometime.  Your words then you try to weasel out by claiming you weren’t saying what you did.  Please continue to make cowardly accusations then lie to cover up it makes you look so intelligent and level headed.

  • Anonymous

    He had a full season under McDaniels.  It does not matter how many starts he had or did not have.  He is not a rookie.  Let me add some truth to your little fantasy world genius.  If Tebow is the backup he is expected to be able to come off the bench and run the offense.  The same is true for any backup.
    If you really believe that draft position does not effect how much time a team is willing to spend making that player NFL ready then I have some prime Florida land to sell you.
    Tebow is an expensive 1st round project. Period. Deal with it.

  • Anonymous

    Can we compare Tebow’s 1st 8 starts to Aaron Rogers’ 1st 8 starts?

  • Anonymous

    I disagree on the timing aspect of the Decker throw.  Tebow has not adjusted to NFL passing coverage -vs- college passing coverage.  I think Lloyd stated it best when he said, I’m paraphrasing here from what I remember reading in the DP, in college you have 2 yards and the receiver is considered open.  In the NFL you get 1 yard and that is what is open.
    Given or not the starting job was Elway’s to lose.
    I tried looking for those stats.  I found a website but, a. I cannot remember the web address and b. I do not think it went back all that far.  They did have stats on 1st downs.
    As one of the big knocks on Orton was the inability to convert on 3rd shouldn’t Tebow be judged on that same metric as well?  Somebody here stated that the job of the QB was to convert 3rd downs to 1st downs.  That mysteriously vanished when Tebow took over.
    Thanks for the pointless and cowardly accusation.  

  • Anonymous

    You remember when Matt Robinson was going to be the savior of the Broncos?

    The suck for Luck fans are going to hate this but that would have been the worst thing the Broncos could have done.  If anyone doubts that look at the Lions.  They were abysmal for how many years?  How many people remember the pre-Ralston Broncos?
    The Broncos needed to build a winning atmosphere in the locker room.

  • King

    You and I both know that’s not true.  Go back and read what I have written in the past. 

    You’re just angry we are winning with Tebow, and not Orton. 

  • Anonymous

    Man, are we still on this story?
    Go ahead and put Rodger’s gaudy numbers up. I’d take Rodgers over any QB in the league, including Tebow. So go ahead, it doesn’t bother me. Your numbers will probably show Rodgers as being the best QB since Dan Marino through 8 starts. Not sure what that’ll prove, but go right again.

  • Anonymous

    Welp I’m really not softening my stance as much as after some thought from the other-side (so to speak ;-)) I understand where  you guys are coming from. In the same way that JJ would come back and say he was wrong; if he went 6-0 the rest of the season I’d chow down my crow just the same. But, as with him, I don’t think so. I can see where 3-3 is a possibility though. I’ll go ahead and say it again… I’ll be on board when we consistently see him play for even 3qrts, not even asking for a full game, just 3qrts…

    For sure though King, I see why you guys like him so much… Thats what my post above was all about, I think most all got it!

  • Anonymous

    “You remember when Matt Robinson was going to be the savior of the Broncos?”

    lol… Yep sure do. Heck when I was a kid I thought Steve Ramsey was the man. I didn’t know dick about it other than being a kid that loved football but Steve was the man… He was mobile compared to Charlie (I wear knee braces and top of my knee braces Johnson). Talk about a statue…

    And yes I remember the pre-Ralston days. The NFL’s lovable loosers

  • Sayers316

    NONE of which will be available by the time the draft rolls around to the Broncos’ pick

  • King

    Rodgers sat for 3 years.  lol

  • King

    For real.  chem should call Elway and see if we can trade Orton for Rodgers.  lmao

  • King

    I personally think that a QB needs 2 full seasons of starts before you can permanently say they are no good.  This is why Elway has said that he looks forward to working with him in the offseason.  Heck, we traded for Orton when he was beginning his 5th year and I said it was a bad trade because of his spotty play. 

    If he hasn’t improved by late next season, look to make him a backup or trade him.  You want to be sure that someone doesn’t have what it takes before you trade them away and get beat by them sometime in the future. 

  • King

    “It does not matter how many starts he had or did not have.”

    Wow.  Just wow.