Denver Broncos to draft 2nd in 2011 NFL Draft

I'd really like to see a trade down to draft, say, 3 defensive players, but maybe there's a real winner available at #2.

Give us Luck!!! C'mon Elway, there is no way you watch Tebow and see shades of an elite QB, but when you look at Luck, it must be like looking in the mirror.

Patrick Peterson, Marcel Dareus, or Andrew Luck at 2 would be just fine.

Patrick Peterson, Marcel Dareus, or Andrew Luck at 2 would be just fine.

If luck doesn't go to Carolina, I would be shocked to see Denver pass him up.

If luck doesn't go to Carolina, I would be shocked to see Denver pass him up.

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if luck is there when we pick, we need to get on the horn with some qb starved teams and ask for a boatload of picks and trade down. otherwise take the best defensive player avail- both of your examples are good but I think Bowers is a solid choice as well.

for possibly the first time, i agree with you. Patrick Peterson all the way!

we could draft him and do what the Chargers did in 2004 w/ Eli Manning. We would trade him for a motherload of picks and gets substantial defensive talent in return…

So just FYI, as near as I can tell our draft looks like this:

1st round: Ours
2nd round: Ours, Miami's (#15)
3rd round: Ours
4th round: None
5th round: None
6th round: New England's
7th round: Ours

So we're very very top-heavy and have *nothing* in the middle of the draft. New England's 6th rounder is so late it's more or less a 7th rounder, so really we more or less have 4 valuable draft picks and 2 longshots.

We've really got to trade down and get some more in that 3-4 range if we can.

In addition, we need to work on the future. We're so barren for in the range of guys in the 2-5 years of experience that I really feel like we need to try and get some big drafts for the next 2-3 years.

If I were Elway and I could swing the trade, I'd trade our #2 pick for a 2nd and a 3rd this year and a 1st + whatever else I could get next year. Or #2 for a late 1st and a 2nd this year, plus a 2nd and late stuff next year.

the 4th and 5th round hurts my eyes.
Do you think we'll resign Maroney for that 4th rounder? NO!!

Syd might pan out, but we cut Kirlew so that 5th rounder is basically a waste too.

What is that based on? Tebow had the superior college career and has shown strong presence in his first three starts. Luck has had 1 exceptional college season, and a lot of hype from the same draftnicks that had Locker pegged as the second coming of elway just six months ago.

I wasn't a fan of the tebow pick last year, but I've been impressed with his first three starts. His numbers are well above average for a rookie qb making his first nfl starts, and it seems like he has a lot of the intangibles that elway showed early in his career. Also seems like he has the respect and support of his teammates.

I know that Luck is getting a lot of hype right now, but he's still an unknown quantity and the broncos have MUCH bigger needs on defense. Also, the fail rate for first round QBs is very high.

Not trying to be a jerk, just genuinely curious why so many people are pushing for Luck when Tebow has had a more than respectable beginning.

Couldn't agree with you more, Tebow has a ways to go but has impressed and is as much a leader as I've ever seen, something we haven't had since Elway. Mel Kiper practically orgasmed when talking about Locker before the season, so him being all over Luck doesn't surprise me.

ive watched Bowers alot. and he is exactly like Carlos Dunlap out of Florida. TONS AND TONS of talent and upside. but doesnt have the work ethic to fulfill that talent. plus he is a 4-3 DE, and unless we switch back to the 4-3, the better D-line choice is Marcel Dareus out of Alabama. he has great strength, great athleticism, can hold the point of attack when stuffing the run. Bowers cant hold the point of attack well. a pure pass rusher. so unless we move to the 4-3 then id say Bowers wont be the pick for us. if Luck is there perhaps the Bills, Vikings, Dolphins or Redskins would give us the farm for him. i wouldnt cry if we traded down just a couple, got some picks and took Dareus or Patrick Peterson.

Oh, I don't know, crazy. A fifth rounder for Squid seems like a good deal to me. He has become a pretty good corner. We have to temper our expectations based on the scheme and the coaching these guys received. I happen to think that guys like Squid will be pretty good once he has some good coaching (like most of our players they need more than one season with a good coach to even touch their potential)

We desperately need a stud D lineman but at 6'2 and 215 Patrick Peterson is a bigger Deion Sanders. If you view his highlights, he looks like a 4.3 40 guy. I don't know what his official 40 time is, but he is very fast. And he's a great return man too. It will be hard to pass him up because he is as close to a sure thing as you can get.

If we pass on him I wouldn't be surprised if we took Fairley over Bowers because he's a lot bigger and plays like a monster against the run and pass. Of course, whether we stick with a 3-4 or go to a 4-3 will play a role in which DL we select, too.

Trade out of the #2 spot and pick up a middle 1st round pick and a 2nd rd pick. If Tebow is the QB of the future, trade Brady Quinn for a 4th or 5th rd pick or trade Orton for a 2nd/3rd round pick.

dont get me wrong; Syd is one of my favorite players. Every time he's on the field, I jump up and down and go “Look Syd's on the field!!” I was really excited he beat out Alphonso Smith for that final cut.

BUT…i'm not totally sure he's worth the 5th round pick and Kirlew got cut like i said, so i'm not sure giving up a 5th was worth it.

was at the citrus bowl yesterday and darius is a beast. #2 might be a little too high for him though. if we traded back a couple and were in the 5-10 range, i would take him. otherwise patterson or bowers. i think bowers would transition better than you expect. i have watched him a bit too. have not read anything in regards to his draftability thought- but if work ethic is a worry it will surely come out.

dang Kerry! your 2 for 2 with me so far. I absolutely agree w/ the work ethic point. He's a one year wonder like Ayers (who's still young) and he fits the 4-3 scheme. I would pass on him if i was in charge.

unfortunately i think you are overvaluing both guys. i think that a fourth is the best we could get for orton- maybe a third. quinn is a 7th if anyone will even take him.

I PRAY FOR ANDREW LUCK. JOHN ELWAY IS AN HONORARY CAPTAIN AT THE ORANGE BOWL. THEY SAY HE WILL TRY TO RECRUIT HARBAUGH TO BE OUR NEXT HEAD COACH, MAYBE THEN ANDREW LUCK WILL REFUSE TO PLAY FOR THE PANTHERS. KEEP ORTON AS A SOLID BACKUP AND TUTOR AND TRADE TEBOW FOR WHATEVER DRAFT PICK SOMEONE WILL GIVE US

Resign Champ so we don't need to draft a CB in the 1st.
Trade down for 2 1st round spots and add a 3rd 2nd round pick.
Trade Orton for a 3rd round pick.

1st Round
Ryan Kerrigan
Stephen Paea

2nd Round
Jared Crick
Jerrell Powe
Ryan Williams/LaMichael James

3rd Round
Rashad Carmichael
Deunta Williams

What is my comment based on Waylon? Well how about Tebow's lack of accuracy. His train wreck wind up. His questionable decision making. His tendency to pull the ball down quickly and just run with it.

Bottom line is anytime I am watching a game and the announcers have to say enthusiastically “That's a good throw!!” anytime the QB makes an ordinary pass, than you are in trouble. I get it that everyone wants Tebow to excel, in fact I wish we could put Cutler's talent inside a person like Tebow, but this just not reality. Tebow just can't make the tough touch passes that a guy like Luck can.

April Fools Day is in 3 months buddy

tebow haters hes not going no ware he is the future

Kerry, we've had our spats this year, but I couldn't agree with you more!

I never thought I would say this, but I agree with you, Kerry…with the exception of Luck. Either of the first two would be good, and I would actually favor us returning to a 4-3 at this point.

Trading Orton will help get us pick in those middle rounds…I don't see us getting anything higher than a 4th round pick.

Kirlew was a 7th not a 5th.

It seems we all share the common view of trading down.. Without a doubt we must stock up on picks to restore this franchise.. Peterson out of LSU the guy is an animal.. Andrew Luck is not going to be a Bronco.. Tim Tebow is my reason.. first of all we are rebuilding no secret there.. we aren't who we use to be.. so in order to keep the stands full Tim Tebow comes into play..

So to reality we must stock up this team with young talent.. Peterson is a pick you cant pass up on.. But we CANT neglect the D-Line especially at the NT position.. if we do convert back to a 4-3 defense Albert Haynesworth is worth a shot.. his value has dropped.

Sorry, I posted as Pathfinder7781. I am not sure that we will know for a few more years if Syd was worth a 5th or not. To early to tell. Getting any production from a 5th is something to be happy about. For the last few years getting production from a 1st round pick (one not named Tebow) would be reason to be ecstatic.

All I can say is defense, defense, defense. I would def trade Orton for a 4th rd pick and Quinn for a 5th or 6th. That would help us out in those middle rounds. I would keep the second pick and get the best available defensive player. It's hard to say whether or not we will play a 4-3 or 3-4 next year, so there is some debate there. Regardless we need a pass rusher and run stopper. I think a Fairley would fit that bill. If not him, def Patrick Peterson!!! This pick needs to work!

Coach McD traded a 5th from this year for two 7th rounders from last draft. We took Syd and Kierlew with those picks. I, for one, am glad we did. I would not have wanted to lose Syd to another team as a college free agent.

I could be happy with this scenario. i would be happy with any two that you mentioned for the 2nd round. My preference would be Jerrel Powell and Jared Crick. I am not that sold on LaMichael James. Boise State has a Senior named Jeremy Avery who is a LaMichael James clone only he has produced for 4 years and will most likely be a late round or college free agent. Much better value for a Darren Sprolles type of player. (whoever picks up Avery will be a very happy team)

Awww…..I see. My bad!

Let me just say that I am not sold on LaMichael James for the draft pick we are going to have to use to get him. I just think that there are identical players who can be had at a better price because they come from a smaller school. (and because, as my user name implies, I am a total Boise State homer. But this time I am right.)

Agree, trading down a few spots and still getting Peterson plus a D lineman would be a major coup.

Tebow showed enough in three games to be excoted, but it is imperative they bring in someone that can really work with him.

I could Orton being dealt for another #2. I would entertain picks for Moreno as well.

The Maroney deal… ugh… what a stiff.

Seems like Tebow would have had a rookie year pretty comparable to Peyton Manning, Brett Farve, and John Elway had he started all 16 games.

Very few QB's start out like Rothlesburger, Ryan, and Flacco. Their great starts require a great team around them and great coaches that can minimize the rookie mistakes. The Broncos had neither this year. Hopefully they will next year. Basically Tebow's 2nd rookie year.

Really? After the year he had I would think maybe a 2… then again he's proven once again that putting up decent numbers does not necessarily translate to wins. Still, I would think at least a 3???

Someone will trade up to pick Luck if he is available.

I mean draft both Crick and Powe. We already have 2 2nd round picks so if we add 1 more that gives us 3.

And gentlemen, that is how you hug it out online. lol.

Basically if we have 3 picks in the 2nd, I think the 3rd one should be used on the best RB left available. I don't think James is coming out until next year anyway.

I agree with you on Avery

Agree with most of what you said there robtink242… that is until you got to the Hayneworth comment. NFW…. complete slug.

I have a feeling the next HC will be Fassell (sp) or Mularkey.

Definitely keep Quinn as our backup. Trade Orton tomorrow.

He is a rookie with three starts who has shown enough potential to pass on Luck.

no worries, devil dog!

I would be ok with Mularkey.

I would be happy with Mularkey…but no Fassel.

Did you guys see that “psychic” lady in the Denver Post a few days ago?

She said we would choose a coach with tough skin. No Duh! all head coaches need to have tough skin.

But she did say something that interests me:

“I didn't get a name on the Broncos' draft pick, just that they would get a young kid, with dark hair and blue eyes. I get the sense he will be out of a top-10 school, and he's going to be an odd pick for a first-round draft pick.”

Check it out for yourself:
http://www.denverpost.com/sear…

pearson would be great though I think I would rather have Fairley. The only thing I would say is that we should keep Quinn. Good backup quarterbacks do not come along every day.

I can see your point with Quinn, especially because Tebow like to put his head down and run into D-linemen and safties. ( I love that attitude personally). Although, I think we need picks more than we need Quinn as a backup. I'm sure we can pick up a veteran that has a lot of game experience that is williing to work with Tebow and help him on some things. When they show Tebow on the sideline, you don't see Orton anywhere around.

Denvers used to drafting odd picks in the first round hence our 4-12 record

I really don't see it. A lot of teams saw him put up big numbers this year but they also saw the fact that he can't handle pressure situations or pressure in his face. His mobility is a hinderance. Don't get me wrong he won't lose a game for you, but he def won't win one either. I hope you're right though…I'd love to get a second for him.

I like your thinking with Moreno. He is garbage in between the tackles.

No I hope it's not Fassell. I wouldn't mind seeing Nolan or even Studs as the HC. Of course if Studs stayed we would need really strong coordinators.

He seemed to do pretty well when he was healthy and had a healthy offensive line.

I was looking at our schedule and I noticed something. If our defense was improved enough to where it stopped, say, 10 points from being score by our opponents (completely feasable), assuming everything stayed the same, we would have been 10-6 and in the playoffs. To me, that says one thing, we need to draft defense, so enough of the Andrew Luck shenanigans.

High comedy! I read that the other day and couldn't stop laughing. Sadly, her knowledge and understanding of the team wasn't much worse than kizla and some of the rest of the dp staff. At least we can look forward to that Nuggets championship in 2011/12.

LaMichael James is a sophmore, and will return to the mighty ducks next yeat!

Orton goes to wherever Mcdaniels is going. Mcd will get an OC job somewhere. would it surprise us if he got hired in sayyy san fransico? Orton would be a solid fit there weapons good oline running game and a decent D perfect fit for a guy that won't “lose” the game but won't win it. Aubrayo Franklin is a young 3-4 linemen there they franchised and haven't been able to get a deal done for why not trade orton/ a pick for franklin and give him a deal the guys really good.

Which was hardly ever. Did you seem him run today. All he does is jump around when he gets to the hole. We need a back that is going to hit it with a burst. I actually enjoyed watching LenDale White in th preseason.

Sam Bradford, a very accurate QB with a quick delivery and a full season of experience against a Seattle defense that stinks: 19/36, 155 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. “He's a franchise QB!”

Tim Tebow in his third start and playing against San Diego, the league's best defense = 16/36, 205 passing yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 94 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD “His throwing motion is too slow. He'll never be a pro QB!”

Sure, Bradford's receivers dropped a couple of passes. But Lloyd let a 50-yard bomb slip right through his hands.

Let's give the kid a chance while we rebuild our defense.

Best case scenario is that Luck is on the board and Elway screws Shanny out of a bunch of draft picks and Peterson (or any other top ten defender) is still there when Washington picks.

Worst case scenario, Carolina takes Luck leaving Denver with the pick of every defensive player on the board and our team takes someone who makes an impact like Suh of Detroit or Long of St Louis.

I like the Peterson DB as the #2 pick. Is Dumervil going to be ready for 2012?

I am not saying I want either… just getting those vibes. I would love to see Harbaugh, but not even sure that would be the right choice. Tons of coaching changes means anything could happen.

Kizla wrote an article this morning stating Tebow would be a detriment to hiring a coach. I think the exact opposite and believe it will bring out the right coach.

What I do know is this (and Vince_marine I agree with you on defense, defense and more defense in the draft), we MUST land the top flight DC once and for all. Pay Rivera, Maranelli or Capers whatever it takes to get them here if one of them is not the head coach.

That article was entertaining, I'll say that. Agree with you on Kizla. However, I really like reading Klis and Paige. The other clown, can't think of his name right now, is also a dud.

First time I saw Bradford play was last night against the Seahawks. He had the 'deer in headlights' look the whole night and made many dumb mistakes. He has a good arm, but I expected better since he has “taken every snap” this year.

Great stuff. And Bradford was playing Seattle(!!!), a team that ranks up there with the Texans on defense (Freeman had 5TD passes against them last week) while Tebow was playing against a top 2 defense.

Similarly, Cutler's INT “just sailed on him.”

I hate that the analysts dont have time to watch unimportant games like Tebow's last game and make their evaluations based on highlights and stat lines. He was accurate, avoided what would have been at least three sure sacks for most NFL QBs, and had his 4 win team in it until the last play of the game.

Would anybody who has actually watched Tebow's last three starts trade him for a “sure thing” like Stafford, or even Bradford?
I wouldnt.

Of the two Broncos first round picks this year, which was more productive? Strangely, nobody complains about the first pick though because conventional wisdom and the echo chamber said it was reasonable.

Considering the financial situation the Broncos have been in since the free-spending Shanahan, and the fact that he is still on the payroll, along with McDaniels, there is NO WAY the Broncos can afford to draft in the #2 slot in the first round. Those draft choices usually command around a $50M contract.

We will be forced to trade down, even though we need the talent that choice would bring. We will have to do our building from the later, more affordable rounds. Wise trading, excellent drafting and younger free agents is what is needed. Look to Elway and Coach ??? for all of that.

too bad mcd wont have personnel power wherever he lands. we could fleece them out of a couple of firsts in return for orton.

agree with you on most of the post, however i would not call tebow accurate on a 16-36 outing. a lot of his balls were over thrown or wide. only two that i can remember were total drops- one to lloyd on the bomb and the one by decker coming across the middle (which was a heck of a throw). the announcers praised him on a couple for 'throwing it away' but to me it looked like he was trying to get the receiver the ball and it sailed on him. do i think it was a bad outing as a whole? no. but i wouldnt call his accuracy one of the high points.

i would love to know the settlement with mcd, as that would have something to do with how much is available- and how long we were paying him. it is entirely possible that the broncos pick high and put more money on the back end of the contract of whoever we pick- that can get bowlen out of an immediate financial bind. we only owe shanny one more year if i recall correctly, and what we owe mcd is a fraction of what we owe him..

the other saving grace would be a rookie wage scale in the new cba- which has to be in place soon.

A lot of those incompletions were throw-aways because nothing was there; San Diego has a great D.

Fine, I should have written “accurate enough.” The “high point” was his overall play.

To all of those worrying about the Rookie Salary, they don't have a new contract yet and Rookie Salaries is a key issue. To those who love/hate Tebow please remember he didn't create the hype, he is just a kid still and will be prone to mistakes as well as get better. I would rather have a guy that has heart and work ethic, as well as strong leadership skills that needs to be taught the nuances of the game than a guy you need to teach those things to. The “slow throwing motion” will not be an issue when he learns to anticipate where the ball should go, accuracy comes with practice (anybody remember Elway on short throws?) and comes with experience. Let the kid be a kid, he wasn't drafted to save the franchise he was drafted as a project with huge upside…I think he has shown he is better than his haters thought and not as good as his followers thought, he is a Rookie.

i agree with your sentiment on his over all play. in fact i commented as we were watching the game that with three minutes left in the game, even though the only way to pull it out was needing two touchdowns, i didnt feel like we were out of the game. it has been a long time since i felt that way- and it was mostly because i believed that tebow could get it done, and he almost did.

I think I read where SD has the 2nd best pass defense in the league. If that is the case, 1 INT in that many attempts is actually pretty good. Once Tebow has more time to study film on these teams, he'll get better reads next year.

Isn't the new CBA going to address rookie salaries? Thought that was a major point. If true, then that changes the whole picture.

I do agree however, that a $50MM contract is not going happen.

This team needs many things on defense. To me the most pressing need still is a top quality ILB. Haven't had one since Al Wilson. I don't see or read of anyone that would qualify as the number pick in the draft, but if Matthews (from Oregon, brother of Clay) is available in the later rounds (like 3 or later) I'd jump all over that.

Hear, hear (as well as Here. Here).

Hire Harbaugh first and then Luck can hit the ground running. Before its announced, he can legally meet with Luck and hint that he should give Jerry Richardson the choice of getting the pick of the remaining draftees and no other choices or getting the rest of the draftees and two second-rounders as well (Miami's and our own choice or the one we get from Buffalo for Tebow).

With Elway's imprimatur and blessing, and his old college coach knowing which system he's most comfortable in, Luck will make us forget Tebow's slow-release and inaccuracy in no time (and Luck is mobile as well… but just not as overly-dependent on breaking bone-jarring tackles).

Buffalo can get Tebow like they wanted to fill seats and lead the team in cold-weather and swirling snows (where Tebow's now-demonstrated skill-set will be of even better use). He's probably now a safer bet than Mallet or Newton, and the Bills can still use their top-seven selection of a big Eric Moulds-sized WR like AJ Green to catch his jump-balls.

Denver still has a second-round choice and Carolina gets two second-rounders to save face in addition to Denver's second-overall choice in round-one.

If Luck goes back for his Senior year, Richardson still has the pick of the remaining draftees and can add whomever he wants (like Cam Newton). But he won't have the two additional second-rounders that he gets by agreeing to trade with Denver to go down one tiny slot.

Only Elway has the chops to pull it off and only Elway knows that we need a can't-miss QB to build around (and especially one who won't battle his legacy as much as be literally invited to put his own spin on it).

With Tebow, we will get a minimum of six wins next year (and maybe as much as 8 or 9 with his expected Sophmore season maturation).

The one thing Tebow can't likely improve is his slow-release (which lefties like Esiason at Maryland, Stabler at Alabama and Young at BYU didn't have to worry about changing as they turned pro). However, his mobility and ability to buy time can mitigate this (especially like Jim Kelly and Doug Flutie demonstrated in the cold climate of Buffalo).

No more small-legged RB's…. ever (or wire-hangers).

Tatum Bell, Knowshown Moreno, Selvin Young etc.. etc… Ugh.

Look at who is thriving at RB in week #17. Matt Forte is still solid, LaGarrette Blount is moving chains, Shonn Greene, Chris Ivory, Ben Jarvis-Green Ellis, Mendenhall, Michael Turner and Ray Rice (short but stocky).

Get the picture? Good. Now get the right ball-carrier, Brian and St. John. But get Andrew Luck first. Carolina won't pass on him. He just has to pull an Eli or an Elway on them.

Cutler, Melo and B-Marsh didn't want to be in Denver (and I doubt Dez Bryant would've re-signed here in 4 years if we drafted him last April).

That's just how it goes. Luck will be in QB heaven playing under Harbaugh and Elway in this region. If Harbaugh passes on Michigan, he'd probably want Denver over San Francisco. And with his read-heavy system, who could argue him wanting to build around a QB he's already plenty comfortable and familiar with.

Elway knows Luck's no one-year-wonder like Robert Ayers or Jarvis Moss. And Elway must know that Darius, Bowers and Fairley are not even close to the type of can't-miss franchise D-linemen like Peppers, Ware, Bruce Smith, Reggie White or Suh.

We may never get in this high spot again for decades. And we cannot afford to whiff on top-of-the-draft D-Linemen like Cleveland did on Wembley, Warren and Courtney Brown. Like Jacksonville did on Derrick Harvey, like Buffalo did on John McCargo, like Denver did on Jarvis Moss and like Atlanta did on Jamaal Anderson.

We aren't competing for the Lombardi next year anyway (even though Jacksonville improved from a league-low in sacks in one off-season like we are hoping to do)..

Good thinking on McD and Orton to SF (although I can see Minnesota too). I'd love Franklin, but doubt SF would need to trade him to us (instead of a 3rd rounder). Kendall Langford of Miami is also under-rated (although not as dominating as Franklin… who also helped Justin Smith reach his potential).

And Miami may also want some insurance for Henne now that Pennington is retiring and Thigpen isn't quite ready (they just don't have the runners Kyle needs… well at least not currently)

Minnesota's Letroy Guion is 6-4, 310 and looks and plays much bigger. He pushed around Philly's O-line and I could more-easily see him being obtained for Orton (if they don't want to give a high-enough draft-pick).

But Franklin, Guion or Miami's Kendall Langford are all up-and-comers that would start for Denver (and I like Vickerson and Bannan as contributors). I just wish Jamal Williams had showed up before week #14 this year.

It wasn't exactly an uncovered drop. Similar to RB Lance Ball's shielded drop against the Raiders, Lloyd's “drop” has mitigating circumstances (including the sun in his eyes).

But the main problem is the way Tebow's long passes haven't YET hit anyone in stride over their shoulder. Instead, some seem to rapidly descend or turn into jump-balls.

After all, Lloyd has shown that anything within 5 yards is within his possible grasp and superior body-control (and nearly batted Tebow's second-to-last desperation heave– while sandwiched in between two defenders– to #17 Britt Davis…. while he was still in the back of the end-zone before moving up).

And if we play “if-and-maybe” how's about KR Cassius Vaughn and the onside-kick recovery that kept it that close to begin with? I just wish Vaughn was returning kicks all year long instead of the slower-accelerating Decker and Thomas (as, ahem, some of us were suggesting).

Worst-case is we're stuck with a Suh-type?

Whaaaat? There are no Suh types in this draft (that's the problem).

And Carolina won't pass on Luck (without his agent getting the promise of an Eli Manning-like trade).

You can't learn quick-release (or one of Jason Campbell's last five QB coaches would have taught him that by now).

Esiason, Young and Stabler all had more-compact deliveries coming into the league (when you are mostly a finished product).

You are correct about improving anticipation and shaving some milli-seconds off the time between the read and the pass being spun from his fingers. But I can't see how he can make his delivery more compact.

Of course, I'm no expert. And if we keep him around, I desperately hope I'm wrong. The kid has heart and lights up what was a soggy team and fan morale.

A rookie pay scale is likely, assuming the deal is consummated at all.

I haven't heard anything on the settlement with McDaniels, but he was set to earn $3.2M in 2011 and slightly higher in 2012. It is likely less, but may not be substantially lower. Bringing in a 6-7M dollar man to coach seems prohibitive. They will be looking to scrimp wherever they can, at least until the new CBA is revealed.

It's going to interesting no doubt. While we desparately need defensive help I agree, it would be very very difficult to pass on Luck if a deal was there. I really like what I've seen from TT, but watching Luck right now in the Orange bowl… he is definitely the real deal.

The question is, what do you then do with Tebow?

GET OFF THE ANDREW LUCK BULLSHIT!!! C'mon now! you guys must be smokin that shit if you actually think tebow is a lost cause. we need Defence Defence Defnece!!! keep the #2 and pick up the best Defencive player in the draft. and we actually already have 2 2nd round picks. the one we got from the fins and our own. we should trade one down so we have 2 1st rounders. Orton obviously stays put(duuuuuh). if he goes whos there to help tebow learn the ropes. u don't actually think he can start yet do you? and before all the haters start crying foul, just because i said tebows gonna be the man doesn't mean i meant right this damn second. patience is a virtue people. build the team around the qb so orton will have an easier time next year. a better defence helps the offence and a better line helps the qb. we need a smart, productive qb to keep guiding tebow. Levon zevon u must be on that rock with all that “inaccuracy” jibber jabber!!! give an example! u mean like the pass to ball in the endzone against the raiders that was dropped? or the two to gaffney IN STRIDE? or the one to lloyd in the back of the endzone? or the 2 to lloyd to the sideline against the chargers where only his guy could catch it? gee that was sooooo inaccurate! i guess chuckin it from ur own 40 and hittin the corner of the endzone perfectly is considered a “jump ball.” u should move to buffalo and be there GM cuz ur about as good at player evaluation as their current GM. Andrew luck is not mark sanchez. one year does not make u a sure fire hall of famer in the nfl. i agree with peterson and especially marcel darius.

I read where McD settled for a cash payout of around 2million.

You guys keep forgetting he (Tebow) has not had much practice time with the first team. I personally am not worried about his funky throwing motion. Rivers, Montana, the list goes on, etc. all had/have funky throwing motions, especially when throwing the deep ball.

Things Tebow will be working on for certain in the off season is studying films of the various defenses around the league, timing with his receivers. He can't really expand his repertoire of plays in his head since we have no idea who is going to be the HC and their system.

Patience people, patience. No one seems to have it anymore.

I agree. Luck will be a flop. And you can quote me on that. I saw him underthrow wide open receivers yesterday. If he can't hit a receiver in stride in college (Tebow could and did. Go watch some youtube videos if you don't believe me) he has little chance of doing so in the N.F.L. (Can you say, “Heath Shuler”)

I would take Ryan Mallett (Junior and not in the draft) or Dalton from T.C.U. before I would take Luck.

I disagree with the notion that his delivery is messing him up and not

his anticipation. He has not had a problem with having the ball

stripped while throwing, he has a problem with not hitting the receiver

in the proper window which is exactly an anticipation issue.

agree some sort of orton package three team possibly with buffaloand arizona send orton to arizona get a second rounder switch our first with buffalo if luck is there and hopefully get a second or third for switching them

To all those out there who haven't noticed or are refusing to notice, we have our starting qb, Tim Tebow. Just stop with the Luck chatter, you know its not going to happen, and anyway, have none of you noticed what's happened the last three years with our defense? We have none. #1 I'll stick with Tebow, he can make things happen with his feet and has shown that he's got a better arm and accuracy then most of the critics wanted to admit to. #2 Here's the big issue with keeping the second pick, is Champ gone or is he being re-signed? If he leaves then do we draft Peterson? Who is going to fill the void at CB because Champ is STILL a pro-bowl caliber CB. Personally, I think Champ needs to retire as a Bronco. 4yr contract, with the last two a move to FS. If Champ stays and we keep the #2, gotta go defense. In fact, we gotta go defense with the first two/three picks. I say trade down but stay in the top 10 and pick up a 3rd/4th. If Champ leaves (please say no) and we trade down, we can still go with Prince Amukamara or Janoris Jenkins at CB.

I see alot of people are saying for us to take Kyle Rudolph in the second round, sure, if he's there with our Dolphins 2nd rounder, not with our first 2nd round selection. Can anyone say LB? I mean, what the hell, can we draft a starting ILB? Its such a pressing need for us since Al Wilson left. I actually hope Rudolph is gone before we can get him so we can be forced into picking defense again. We should have and WE SHOULD ALL BE HOPING that our first three picks (at least the first two) will be defensive starters of 2011.

Orton? He's gotta go. I get it though, I don't blame him for being bitter, but he's no longer a factor and he's proven to be worth at most a 2nd round to an early 3rd round pick. Also, I've already read enough articles on how he's snickering on the sidelines and has shutdown any dialogue with Tebow. Again, I understand, he was having a great year, but he was never the future. We don't need that shit on this team now. We gotta trade him asap in the next few months as that's another starter via the draft that we can add.

While we're at it, Dawkins has got to go. The guy has lost his mojo. He can't cover ANYONE, and I can't even begin to count how many broken tackles he's been on the wrong end of. I made the same complaint last year, do we know how to wrap up when we tackle? Seems like only DJ and Champ know how to properly take anyone down.

fast doesnt mean your a good corner ..dude got burned by cam newton and the rest of the sec…i think jimmy smith from colorado would be great in the third round if we could get pick there..he is more technically sound than patterson..take your super athlete he reminds me of a bigger deangelo hall…ill take the guy who has fundamentals…tim crowder jarvis moss willie middlebrooks were all great athletes coming out and that didnt work out to well

LaMichael james said he wasnt coming out

yes you can learn a quicker release.. what do you think quarterbacks coaches do scan the side line for chicks come on….you think marino and his quick release was naural no he worked at it ..just like a batter changin his speed to catch up to a fastball it can be learned just depends on how hard the player wants to work

changing his swing****

One addition to my comment above – Ayers has proven clueless as far as getting to the QB. This guy gets caught up in hand/arm wrestling with OL's so much its a joke. No spin moves, no bull rushes, no techniques for getting to the qb's. They should tell this guy to drop 10 lbs and move him to ILB and then draft a mirror end for Elvis.

You don't know anything about football if you think Tebow isn't a great player. He has played better than any rookie Ive seen at QB for Denver in a long time. He deserves consideration and a fair analysis of his play, including college, to date.

What about us trading orton for some mid draft picks?
semms smart to me if we are going to start tebow

Getting 2 1st round picks this year in trade for our 1st round pick is fantasy. It may add up that way on the draft chart but how many teams even have 2 1st rounders to trade? Maybe someone will wheel and deal to do it, but if so it'd be a draft day trade.

I totally agree it's fantasy but nothing anyone comes up with is going to be right so if I am going to fantasize I figure why not do it big haha.

There is a .0001% chance Kyle Orton gets worked into a package deal somehow and we end up with 2 first rounds if McD lands the Vikings job. I've got big lungs so I'll hold my breath :D

Getting 2 1st round picks this year in trade for our 1st round pick is fantasy. It may add up that way on the draft chart but how many teams even have 2 1st rounders to trade? Maybe someone will wheel and deal to do it, but if so it'd be a draft day trade.

I totally agree it's fantasy but nothing anyone comes up with is going to be right so if I am going to fantasize I figure why not do it big haha.

There is a .0001% chance Kyle Orton gets worked into a package deal somehow and we end up with 2 first rounds if McD lands the Vikings job. I've got big lungs so I'll hold my breath :D