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Published on 01/03/2012 at Tue Jan 03 07:00.
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Black Monday Aftermath

Broncos vs. Steelers

  • Dante Pakistan

    They can have him, let them take Tebow too!

  • Anonymous

    McCoy seems like a good guy and will probably make a good coach as someone who oversees the rest of the staff. I’ve never been a fan of his as an OC though at all. 

    Even under the thumb of old school John Fox, he could be a lot more creative and new age in his play designs. 

    Have we even ran a triple set once this year? UGH!

  • Anonymous

    Uh I’ll take ’NO’ for $500 Bob… I say let’em go as well but I got 5 clamerito’s that says they wont touch the guy and why would they? I’m surprised they are even talking to him…

  • Anonymous

    Would a conservative coach resurrect an exotic college running scheme that has never been featured in the NFL?  

    Its hard not to look conservative if your QB struggles to make completions but averages over 5 yards a carry.  I like Tebow and hope the organization invests in him and his future, but its hard not to argue that Tebow has really struggled in the passing game.  It doesn’t matter how many receivers are split wide if Tebow can’t get the ball to them.  

  • Anonymous

    1. The WR’s are not getting open very well either and part of that is due to the lack of imagination in the routes and the lack of running Royal on slants or using him in any way that even slightly resembles a slot WR.

    2. The game plan was just as unimaginative under Orton. I never liked Orton as a QB. His downsides far outweight his upside but the fact is, when Lloyd wasn’t in the game, Orton rarely had open targets either.

    Lloyd either made spectacular catches or he drew double coverage leaving Decker open.

    3. We traded Lloyd for peanuts and it has really hurt what little passing game we could have mustered up. I tried to look on the bright side of that trade but dammit hear we are in the playoffs and our #1 wr wouldn’t even be a #2 on most of the other teams in the league. 

    4. Please don’t try to turn this around as excuses for Tebow. It has nothing to do with Tebow. While I would love to see Tebow get it together over the offseason and come back as a much improved product next year because I like the cut of the man’s jib off the field, I am certainly not attached to him being on our field. 

    The offensive coaches are not getting it done period, and that fault lies primarily with the man in charge of the offense, McCoy.

    Look at Matt Flynn in GB as an example. Sure the kid has talent BUT he isn’t THAT good. He is playing without his #1 wr and yet is throwing to WIDE OPEN wr’s all game long. Hell I could have thrown for 4 TD’s that game. 

    Also look at Carolina Panthers O-Coord Rob Chudzinski! The man is in Cleveland and he turns Derek Anderson into a PRO BOWLER! DEREK FREAKING ANDERSON!

    He goes to SD and Philip Rivers is an absolute stud. He leaves SD and suddenly Philip Rivers isn’t very good!

    He is in Carolina coaching up a rookie QB that played ONE YEAR of ball under one of the most limited playbooks EVER assembled at an SEC school and he makes him into a rock star while at the same time increasing the output of a 30 yr old WR!

    What the hell has McCoy done other than create plays I use to draw up as a 12 year old on the first PC Madden game before it even had graphics!

    haha sorry, I just needed to get that out :)

  • Anonymous

    haha yeah me too

  • Anonymous

    Look at Denver Broncos Coach Mike McCoy!  The man was in Carolina and he turned Jake Delhomme into a PRO BOWLER!  JAKE FREAKING DELHOMME!

    He leaves Carolina and all of a sudden, Delhomme isn’t very good!  

    He is in Denver coaching up a horribly scouted, inexperienced QB in the middle of a lost season and turns him into a player that barely misses the pro bowl while at the same time turning Bey Bey Thomas into one of the most productive WR’s in the entire league over the same period.  Not only that, he is the architect of the most powerful rushing offense in the nation, and its not even close.  Lets hire him!

    Everything is relative.  

    I support Tebow.  I am  NOT a Tebow fanatic.  I care more about the team than I ever will for any particular player.  IMHO, that’s what its all about.
    1)  That being said, #1 would hamper any offensive coordinator.  How many people were lining up to call Bill Bellichick an offensive mastermind in Cleveland when he had nothing to work with.  (Obviously, I’m not comparing Mike McCoy and Belichick, just pointing out that I DO think talent has a lot more to do with this than people think.)

    2) Game plans may have something to do with receivers being ‘open’ (in itself a very subjective term), but other factors like route running and quarterback audibles/looking off safeties are at least as important, and probably more so.  Again, if receivers are not open, do people blame the coaches or the players?

    3) Blame Elway or whoever.  Not McCoy’s fault

    4) It has a hell of a lot to do with Tebow.  My position on him is based on what I think is best for this team.  I certainly hope he can develop, but what I have seen makes me nervous.  Tebow has regressed noticeably in the last 3 games.  He looks less sure in the pocket, which messes up his footwork (which was weak to begin with).  His release actually looks pretty good, but his decision-making has definitely gotten worse.  I think this has less to do with Tebow and more to do with the fact that defenses have more tape on him.  the KC game made clear that defensive coordinators are telling their secondary corps to stick on their assignments when Tebow leaves the pocket.  This closes off the passes that Tebow WAS making during broken plays for big gains (the pass to D. Thomas at Minnesota comes to mind) and forces him to run for less gain.  Not good.  Tebow has not shown himself to be capable of making consistent throws into the tight windows that are customary in the NFL.  This should not be blamed on McCoy.

    Either way, I think any ineptitude on Tebow’s part shouldn’t wash on McCoy.  All he can do is call plays.  If he doesn’t think that Tebow can complete a certain set of pass plays, hes not going to call them.  End of Story.

    Love you Trog, but I disagree with you on this one.

  • Anonymous

    haha well I love you too buddy! 

    McCoy was never the O-Coord in Carolina just for the record though.

    Also, Tebow can throw a slant. The routes being called have nothing to do with Tebow’s ability to throw. They called a wide variety of passes in Florida and he did just fine.

    The offense McCoy is running looks nothing like the Florida offense. Should it in the first place? I don’t think so. Maybe keep a few elements here and there but that isn’t the point.

    The point is that he has instilled some lame boo boo wanna be college offense that isn’t even as good, as a good college offense.

    It looks more like a H.S. offense than College. If you are going to do it, at least do it right. Don’t just call a deep throw every time on an out route. It’s boring, everyone knows it’s coming and it’s easy to cover.

    If you going to get or are getting your ass kicked anyways, then call the plays that will get your WR’s open and let the QB miss the throws if that’s what’s going to happen. What he is doing sure as hell isn’t working.

    The Offense is 100% McCoy’s fault or it’s Fox’s fault if he is telling McCoy what plays he can call or how to run it and I doubt that’s the case.

    If you do the same thing you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got. 

    Well McCoy better damn well let Tebow fail because of Tebow this Sunday or the loss is on him for continuing to call the same stupid everybody knows what’s going to happen plays!

    The plays were just as bad when Orton was at QB. McCoy was brought to the Broncos to be McD’s yes man. He wasn’t brought in because he earned it.

  • Anonymous

    I do want to stress what I’m saying is in no way intended to let Tebow off the hook. He has to do a heck of a lot better with what he is being given! 

    I thought he actually played well in the New England game over all but the last two weeks is some of the worst QB play I have ever seen.

  • Anonymous

    BTW I dig your passion! :D

  • Anonymous

    Maybe ‘love’ is a strong word.  More like ‘nod my head approvingly often when reading comments.’  Don’t let it get to your head :).  

    It seems that our disagreement is in regards to what exact degree the talent level of the offense affects offensive production.  We both agree that the offense is performing poooooorly.  I’m more towards talent mattering above scheme and you are more towards scheme being able to overcome talent weakness.  This is a question that NFL general managers & owners have been unable to answer definitively, which makes it hard for me to prove how totally and completely wrong you are and how I’m obviously brilliant.

    If you could describe your perfect offensive game plan, what would it be?

  • Anonymous

    Maybe ‘love’ is a strong word.  More like ‘nod my head approvingly often when reading comments.’  Don’t let it get to your head :).  

    It seems that our disagreement is in regards to what exact degree the talent level of the offense affects offensive production.  We both agree that the offense is performing poooooorly.  I’m more towards talent mattering above scheme and you are more towards scheme being able to overcome talent weakness.  This is a question that NFL general managers & owners have been unable to answer definitively, which makes it hard for me to prove how totally and completely wrong you are and how I’m obviously brilliant.

    If you could describe your perfect offensive game plan, what would it be?

  • Anonymous


    which makes it hard for me to prove how totally and completely wrong you are and how I’m obviously brilliant.”

    HAHA! That was awesome! 

    Oh off hand without typing up something huge I’d just say mix it up a bit more. Throw some short passes once in awhile on 1st down (or at least let Tebow try to throw some short passes lol).

    Run Royal on slants and quick outs. Let him use his speed and shiftiness to get open. 

    Use DT on some corner cut routes and allow him to get use to using that big body to shield throws.

    Run Fells (who has been incredible when given the chance and has like a 45 inch verticle) to run several different patterns up the middle. It will catch defenses off guard sometimes (as it has in the past).

    Decker is a big body too that HAD great hands in college. If DT is covered well, do the same thing with Decker.

    Run some trip sets and allow picks to take place to free Royal or DT since they both have crazy speed.

    Basically pass 50% of the time and not just in the obvious have to situations and allow Tebow to prove that he can’t get in a groove. 

    The announcers talk about it’s hard on a WR, will it’s every bit as hard on a QB to just suddenly make a big throw.

    Dammit, now I’ve typed out another story. UGH!

    For the record I’m not saying that’s going to improve things. I believe it would improve the WR’s ability to get open and make plays. I have no idea if Tebow can indeed get into a groove but I think/hope he can if given enough opportunity.

    No matter what we prob lose but if we don’t do that, we are practically guaranteed a loss without another miracle i.e. Roth going down in the 1st.

    At least trying something, anything that allows for some creativity, puts it on the players i.e. Tebow to have something to execute.

    Hell at least then we can all say, man the coaches gave him every opportunity and the kid just doesn’t have it. Or, damn, give the kid an honest shot and he surprises you sometimes!

  • Anonymous

    “Basically pass 50% of the time and not just in the obvious have to situations and allow Tebow to prove that he can’t get in a groove.”  I can get behind this.  Fox talks about how x number of pass plays are being called, but I would guess that close to half of those pass plays are on 3rd and lots, which is going to skew things.  
    Royal has been a real disappointment this year.  No idea whats going on but I’m also with you that he could be more involved in the short and screen game.  Football Outsiders have him ranked as one of the worst WR’s this year in terms of DYAR.  They use him on sweeps, but Tebow sells the screen so well I wish they would use it more.  

  • Anonymous

    It sounds like in the grand scheme we are probably more in agreement on things then we disagree. 

    Hope you enjoy the game tomorrow man! GO BRONCOS! :D

  • Anonymous

    To you too!  As a Bronco fan living in cold, shitty* Minnesota, I love the fact that this game will actually be on local television.  Watching the games on internet feeds just sucks.  If the stream actually works, I get to watch Orton/Tebow do something they really, really shouldn’t.  If the stream doesn’t work, I have to ponder what I think probably happened on the key play that I missed. At the very least, now I can bitch on the live chat with everyone else as someone on special teams screws up really bad… Knock on wood!

    In all seriousness, looking forward to the game!  If Rothlesburger’s high ankle sprain is bothering him, the Steelers offense may be more inept than ours, so  
    I’m looking forward to the puntfest!  Tebow time may be needed.  *Its actually pretty ok, but the local sports station hates Tebow, so fuck those guys.  

  • Anonymous

    LOL!