The Denver Broncos are giving up on 2011 by starting Tim Tebow

You’re just an Orton Homer then haha.

Ouch! Make it personal why don’t you? j/k :)

Wow.  I can’t believe I just read that.  Someone pining for the glory days of Kyle Orton.  Unbelievable.  Kyle Orton is done in Denver. He had his chance and he is the definition of mediocre.  Is Monty actually Kyle’s pen name?  Do you really think the Broncos are close to making a playoff push? They are a team full of holes.  The unlikely win against the Bengals as a reason for optimism is a bit of a stretch.  Tim Tebow has 5 career starts.  He’s looked awful part of the time, and pretty good part of the time (with flashes of brilliance mixed in).  I don’t think 5 starts is enough to make a final judgment. Steve Young, Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman and yes, John Elway had equal, or worse performances during their first 5 starts.  Doesn’t mean Tebow’s going to be on their level, I just think he needs more of a chance and a little more patience.

So yes, I say we trot Tebow out there and see what we’ve got.  If he’s terrible then maybe we’ll still have a shot for a good QB in the draft – http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_19244610

 

What I can’t stand is all these people with their knee jerk reactions. There is almost no instances on “immediate success” in the NFL, so what makes anyone expect immediate results from Tebow? Much less give them the right to act as if such a thing should be the only acceptable standard for Tebow?

Fact is that nobody has instant success by themselves when it comes to QB in the NFL. The past says that Elway, Steve Young, Brett Favre, et al all struggled when they were young (Elway was benched, Young & Favre traded cause they were “horrible”)

UNFAIR the naysayers claim. You can’t compare Tebow to Elway or anyone else. Why? Because Elway wasn’t at one time a struggling rookie? Revisionist history says we shouldn’t compare, but that’s only because we have a body of work from Elway that we don’t yet have from Tebow. I’m sure when people compared Elway to Unitas or any other crappy rookie QB that turned great, people said “YOU CAN’T DO THAT!!!” Well, guess what, people did and will always compare present athletes to past athletes. Elway proved a worthy candidate to compare, but he sure didn’t fit that mold 5 starts into his career. Like I said, after Elway’s body of work was complete, it showed everyone that the people who said you can’t compare Elway to Unitas were dead wrong, and the ones saying you can cause at that exact time, he performed like player X did as a rookie.

Recent history has players like Ryan, Flacco, Sanchez as QBs who had success, but guess what? They were only successful because they had a dominating team around them, and they were simply asked to be the person to take the snap, hand off, and occasionally pass the ball. That’s it. Nobody said “he only threw the ball 8 times that game, HE’S A BUST!!!” Why? Because the team around them was so strong that they won in spite of the QB, not because of the QB. Yet, Tebow is on a crap team that isn’t winning, so he’s obviously a bust. If Ryan, Flacco, or Sanchez were on the Broncos when they were rookies, believe me, they’d be labeled busts before they even had the chance to develop.

~Does Tebow look good? No
~Does Tebow win all his games? No
-HOWEVER-
~Are the Broncos worse off by starting Tebow over Orton? No (2-3 vs 4-22) Basically, in the next 5 games, Tebow is in line to match 2 years of Orton’s winning percentage with this exact team.

What I want to ask everyone is this….. “What makes you think that any QB, be it future HOF QBs, Average QBs, or complete Busts for QBs, should only get a 2 game audition in a season, with now 5 games overall?” I’d have given Ryan Leaf more than 5 games to prove himself. Sure, he threw a prettier ball than Tebow, but that doesn’t disprove that even Leaf was rightfully given more than 5 games to prove himself. “we aren’t going anywhere anyways” is a common argument, but for those who say that Monty is right, and that we only have to close a 2 game gap with 9 to go, I ask you this… “What gives you even the slightest notion that Orton or Quinn can close that gap?” If anyone knows how little we have won with Orton as QB, it’s us Broncos fans. If we put Orton back in, we’ll be lucky to win 1 more game all year. If we put Quinn in, I’m willing to bet we don’t win a single game the rest of the year. If we keep Tebow in, we’ll win 1 more game at a minimum, and possibly more.

How can I say this? Because Tebow has proven through his small 5 game sampling to have a better winning percentage with this team than Orton. Tebow has proven with his 2 game 2011 season to have a much higher winning percentage than Orton. Given that statement, the QB that gives us the best chance to close the gap is the QB who wins 50% of his 2011 games (Tebow) instead of the QB who wins 20% of his 2011 games (Orton). I don’t care if we beat winless Miami. Orton has dropped games against HORRIBLE teams, so don’t give me this “Orton would have beaten Miami” nonsense, cause that is just not true. We’ve all seen this team lose to bottom dwelling teams, so save your breath and don’t even think about coming at me with that defense.

The thing is that Orton plays better than Tebow about 80% of the time, HOWEVER, that 20% of the time that Tebow plays better than Orton, he plays so much better, it more than makes up for the rest of the time that he struggles.

Interesting how guys who played the game, were successful, won SB rings, are jealous of him and don’t know what they are talking about.  They can’t assess talent.  Add Alfred Williams and Shannon Sharpe to the list.  Heard Shannon on The Fan today – said he can’t make the throws etc.  So its ESPN and radio guys.

Tim Tebow is a reincarnation of Gino Terreta from Miami. The system made him look good in college but his mechanics suck and in MHO, he’ll never be an NFL quarterback regardless of all the love from the Bronco Tebow fanbase. Brady Quinn knows how to throw a football and get it to his receivers. He needs a realistic chance to play.

At least he can throw a spiral TO his receivers

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The only point I think you miss is Tebow does not have the support of Fox or Elway which means to me that Tebow’s days are numbered here.

Orton was  struggling but so were a lot of qbs coming off a lockout shortened offseason. He was in the top ten in td passes when he was benched and 10 nfl quarters of play later hes still only 3 td passes back of the top ten . Broncos fans this year are consistently showing that they have loss touch with the NFL. 

Orton is not a deep threat ? Did these people even follow the team last year ? Broncos fans have shown themselves to be so out of touch that instead of them demanding the aggressive pass attack of last year they basically ignored the crap offensive philosophy that Fox and MCcoy went with because all they cared about was not wins but TIm hitting the floor . 

But now all there silly actions have done is hurt Tim ,hurt Orton,hurt DT,hurt Decker ,hurt Franklin hurt Miller and the rest of the Broncos players as well as the organization . 

3rd and 6 last year we are going deep to Lloyd or Gaffney 

3rd and 6 this year we are running receivers to the sticks and teams are sitting there waiting on it.

Orton did what he was told 

Tim is doing what he is told 

LLoyd knew it was garbage and said get him out of here 

Since we went 6-0 in 2009 the broncos have given up 29 ppg defensively no QB is gonna win with that . 

This fanbase is out of touch with football reality and these past two months will have serious longterm ramifications for the franchise.

A few weeks ago I said KO played poorly enough for me to be OK with looking at Tebow. I’ve seen enough.

And I didn’t mail anything in. This article actually took me two days to write and fine-tune, but thanks.

I just have my opinion. It’s not based on mainstream anybody.

I’m bailing on a starter when I believe the guy on the bench is better, and I always will.

Patience at what price? Continually losing games this season? Having every other player in this locker room beat themselves up for “The Tim Tebow Experiment?”  That’s exactly the point I was trying to make with this article. The AFC West is a cakewalk, let’s put up a fight for it.

Again I just point to the fact that I don’t judge QB’s on their record, as others have discussed. Some do, and that’s fine. It’s just a disconnect when it comes to these debates. It’s a gap we can’t cross. Agree to disagree.

I think you have “seen” the same I have which is no front office support, no coaching support, no talent support  and a game plan that appears to have been put together about 20 minutes before kick off void of any adjustments during the game.  All that leads us to conclude there is no future for Tebow in Denver.  You just avoid the more conroversial approach by stating it more subtly and eloquently than me.

There is no way our Monty would abandon any rookie QB after just two starts in the season.  Especially not considering all the other problems this team has.  Especially not considering the Lions will likely be playing in the playoffs and COULD be a super bowl contender. Especally not since Tebow helped orchestrate a fourth qtr comeback just two weeks ago, on the road, in a tradionally difficult place for Denver to leave with a win. 

No my friend, I think you have caved to the pressure.  BUT ultimately, I think your conclusions will prove to be right, not for the reasons you mention, but because Tebow has no support in the Denver organization.  And I know, you know that. (wink).

Amen Datguyski.

REBUILDING MODE. Hello? For G Sake it is only his 5th game. Remember “No Way” Elway? Be patient and Let the kid learn. Geez.

This is what the Broncos should be doing. Trade Bailey and Dawkins, stock as many picks as possible. Both Offensive and defensive lines need to be revamped. We need a center and 2 gaurds. We Need 3 D tackles. Next Leave Tebow in to get his experience. At the Game last week, I sat in the 14th row and could not believe that the Broncos have a total of 7 plays for Tebow. The play calling is atrocious. the Offensive coordanator should be gone. Tebow is not a 5 and 7 step dropback QB. Tim should be rolling out or atleast using a moving pocket.  Anyway. Let Tim Play. Use the first overall pick to trade for that teams 1st round pick, second round pick and next years 1st and second. That is what you will get for Luck. Use those picks to draft Corners and a running back. The only position where the Broncos have strength is wide out.  We will still be 2 or 3 years out before Denver becomes a dominate team again. The Defense was neglected when Shanahan was here then that idiot McDaniels destroyed the offense. It will take time to build. Writew this season off, make the trades, stock picks let the young players get experience then in 2 years watch. Elway will do a fine job. You do not turn an NFL franchise around in 1 season. From a total rebuilding effort it will take 2 to 3 years.
Brian

I hesitate to raise this issue as I was never a fan of the way Cutler decided to part ways with the Bronco’s but it now appears he saw the handwriting on the wall and got out when he could. Marshall and Lloyd also figured it out. And to me, where they went says as much about the State of the Bronco’s organization as anything.  This orgainization is indeed in complete disaray.  Perhaps MCD is mostly to blame but no matter, it doesn’t change the facts.  I wrote about my concerns of this organization last year. As life long Bronco fan, I too remain very concerned but I am not giving up. Not giving up as long as they remain in Denver I should add.  Who else am I going to cheer for? I am too old to change now.

If the stadium quits filling and Tebow shirts stop selling, maybe they will choose to do something different.  We may have to survive the Fox era first but lets give him a little time to bring in his personnel.  We have waited this long.  Whats another 3 years of rebuilding?

The title of this article sums up why I hoped the team could have sat on Tebow until late November of this year. Unfortunately, Orton played like garbage and here we are.

Hey how about starting a series of college QB that will likely declare for the draft this year? I’d rather read that than the rehashing Tebow/Orton crap.

HA!

Don’t be offended by my disagreement.  You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I respect it and the stand you are taking.  I admire this blog-site for that very reason.  All of the writers here are not afraid to take a stand.  I am just not at that same point at this moment, but you may well be right.  A difference of opinion is what stimulates both thought and discussion.  Keep it up!

You realize, of course, Kerry agrees with you! Now THAT is scary! :-)

Your point is what exactly?  Are you refuting that fans wanted Elway benched or traded?

2005 Chicago Bears.  Orton has already won a division.

JD you continue to miss my point.  I will try it again.  I have written this a few times now.  I don’t know anything about sabotage or conspiracy theories, my point has to do with the FACT that Fox has put Tebow out there and given him an opportunity to play Fox ball.  If Tebow can play the game Fox draws up, then Tebow might be able to stay.  IT really is that simple.  Obvisouly, Tebow is going to struggle to play the Fox game.  Fox isn’t going to change his coachng style or game plan to suit a player.  IT is too much work for a coach of his tenure to start over again.  He expects the player to adjust.  Tebow can’t.  So Tebow will be gone.

That is totally different than your statement of “It is delusional to even think for one second that the organization would put one player on the field with the sole intent of having that player fail.” 

Fox gave him a shot to play Fox ball.  It is clear Fox is not going to change his style and apparently Tebow can’t.  Somebody has got to go.  Since No one in the front office is offering any support of Tebow, it is TEbow that is going to go.  Fox has shown Bronco nation that Fox is in charge now and we better get use to it.

Hopefully you got it this time.  Maybe you are telling someone else they are dilusional but your comments keep appearing after my posts.

The only folks that I would even respectfully call maybe a little dilusional are those fans that still believe Tebow has a chance to succeed in Denver with the current coach in place.