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	<title>Comments on: Kyle Orton: The Good</title>
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		<title>By: DHB</title>
		<link>http://broncotalk.net/2009/07/7159/broncos-blog/kyle-orton-the-good/comment-page-1/#comment-24448</link>
		<dc:creator>DHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When our ship has Swiss cheese for a hull, pointing at just one hole is a waste of time.  Cutler Is NOT my scapegoat for last season.  Here are some of the stats that I see as backing up my theory that Cutler can win or loose it for you, but it&#039;ll be exciting, and Orton may make more efficient decisions, which would mean he needs more talent around him, but can still win.

Red Zone passing:
Cutler: 84 attempts, 17 TDs, 4 Ints (.202 TDs and .048 ints per att)
Orton: 59att, 13TDs, 1 Int (.241 TDs and .019 Ints per att)

3rd down passing (where a QB gets paid as some have said):
Cutler: 150 Att, 10 TDs, 11 Ints (.067 TDs, .073 Ints per Att)
Orton: 124 Att, 4 TDs, 3 Ints ( .032 TDs, .024 Ints per Att)

That is very simple comparison, and I&#039;m not saying Orton is a god, but he has a chance to keep the weakest part of our team off the field.

I appologize for not having the reference, but I did read the best way to win a football game is:
1) Have a 100 yard rusher
2) Have the ball longer than your opponent
3) Turn the ball over less than your opponent

If Orton helps us do any one of those three, it will be a big step forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When our ship has Swiss cheese for a hull, pointing at just one hole is a waste of time.  Cutler Is NOT my scapegoat for last season.  Here are some of the stats that I see as backing up my theory that Cutler can win or loose it for you, but it&#8217;ll be exciting, and Orton may make more efficient decisions, which would mean he needs more talent around him, but can still win.</p>
<p>Red Zone passing:<br />
Cutler: 84 attempts, 17 TDs, 4 Ints (.202 TDs and .048 ints per att)<br />
Orton: 59att, 13TDs, 1 Int (.241 TDs and .019 Ints per att)</p>
<p>3rd down passing (where a QB gets paid as some have said):<br />
Cutler: 150 Att, 10 TDs, 11 Ints (.067 TDs, .073 Ints per Att)<br />
Orton: 124 Att, 4 TDs, 3 Ints ( .032 TDs, .024 Ints per Att)</p>
<p>That is very simple comparison, and I&#8217;m not saying Orton is a god, but he has a chance to keep the weakest part of our team off the field.</p>
<p>I appologize for not having the reference, but I did read the best way to win a football game is:<br />
1) Have a 100 yard rusher<br />
2) Have the ball longer than your opponent<br />
3) Turn the ball over less than your opponent</p>
<p>If Orton helps us do any one of those three, it will be a big step forward.</p>
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		<title>By: broncoNM</title>
		<link>http://broncotalk.net/2009/07/7159/broncos-blog/kyle-orton-the-good/comment-page-1/#comment-24437</link>
		<dc:creator>broncoNM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,
I agree with you that cutler was not the problem last year.  He had little to no support and was forced to try and win games on his own.  This link indicates that cutler had 5 red zone int&#039;s last year.  So a little over 1/4 of his int total last year was in the red zone... thats not great... but again we had no run game so he was forced to throw the ball.  I do believe that orton can increase our red zone production because we will have a better running game and hopefully the system will allow wr&#039;s like royal, stokely, gaffney, moreno, buckhalter to get open and make it easier on orton.  I thought the offensive playbook last year was pretty stale especially in the red zone.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=9597</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,<br />
I agree with you that cutler was not the problem last year.  He had little to no support and was forced to try and win games on his own.  This link indicates that cutler had 5 red zone int&#8217;s last year.  So a little over 1/4 of his int total last year was in the red zone&#8230; thats not great&#8230; but again we had no run game so he was forced to throw the ball.  I do believe that orton can increase our red zone production because we will have a better running game and hopefully the system will allow wr&#8217;s like royal, stokely, gaffney, moreno, buckhalter to get open and make it easier on orton.  I thought the offensive playbook last year was pretty stale especially in the red zone.</p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=9597" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=9597</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://broncotalk.net/2009/07/7159/broncos-blog/kyle-orton-the-good/comment-page-1/#comment-24428</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DHB,

It&#039;s funny, everyone post Cutler has better talent but Orton is a smarter QB and Denver will be more effective in the red zone because he won&#039;t force anything.  Well Orton has 20 TD&#039;s to 6 INT&#039;s in the red zone for his career, while Cutler has 38 TD&#039;s and 4 INT&#039;s.  Cutler wasn&#039;t the reason this team was 16th in Scoring.  Being down to the 7th string RB and a defense who couldn&#039;t get off the field was...It was a huge mistake to let him go, especially since the defense has been awful.  Once the defense gets impact players this team will back, but not this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DHB,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny, everyone post Cutler has better talent but Orton is a smarter QB and Denver will be more effective in the red zone because he won&#8217;t force anything.  Well Orton has 20 TD&#8217;s to 6 INT&#8217;s in the red zone for his career, while Cutler has 38 TD&#8217;s and 4 INT&#8217;s.  Cutler wasn&#8217;t the reason this team was 16th in Scoring.  Being down to the 7th string RB and a defense who couldn&#8217;t get off the field was&#8230;It was a huge mistake to let him go, especially since the defense has been awful.  Once the defense gets impact players this team will back, but not this year.</p>
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		<title>By: DHB</title>
		<link>http://broncotalk.net/2009/07/7159/broncos-blog/kyle-orton-the-good/comment-page-1/#comment-24422</link>
		<dc:creator>DHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*your*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*your*</p>
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		<title>By: DHB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,

I&#039;m pretty sure the consensus is that Cutler is a better talent than Orton and most of the rest of the league.  Would I rather have Cutler in the fray, rather than looking for a lining, sure.  But, Cutler did and does have his flaws.  One of which, was keying on Marshal and forcing ill advised throws.  With 4k in yards, the band has to have a couple catches.  Sure his numbers match up with some good QBs, but the lack of scoring by the whole offense last season directly relates to poor decisions on Cutlers part.  Will he get better, probably, but right now he is a high-risk high-reward guy.  He can loose a games for you almost as well as he can win it.

Finally, my other post was (partially) tongue-in-cheek, I&#039;m sorry that didn&#039;t come through.  But I would have to say, if anything other than you ability to feed, clothe, house and protect you and your family is causing you this much heart-burn and angst; you should step back a minute and take a deep breath.

Bottom line:  Cutler is a better QB than Orton with more upside.  Orton is a starting QB in the NFL, so he HAS to have some level of talent and skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure the consensus is that Cutler is a better talent than Orton and most of the rest of the league.  Would I rather have Cutler in the fray, rather than looking for a lining, sure.  But, Cutler did and does have his flaws.  One of which, was keying on Marshal and forcing ill advised throws.  With 4k in yards, the band has to have a couple catches.  Sure his numbers match up with some good QBs, but the lack of scoring by the whole offense last season directly relates to poor decisions on Cutlers part.  Will he get better, probably, but right now he is a high-risk high-reward guy.  He can loose a games for you almost as well as he can win it.</p>
<p>Finally, my other post was (partially) tongue-in-cheek, I&#8217;m sorry that didn&#8217;t come through.  But I would have to say, if anything other than you ability to feed, clothe, house and protect you and your family is causing you this much heart-burn and angst; you should step back a minute and take a deep breath.</p>
<p>Bottom line:  Cutler is a better QB than Orton with more upside.  Orton is a starting QB in the NFL, so he HAS to have some level of talent and skill.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://broncotalk.net/2009/07/7159/broncos-blog/kyle-orton-the-good/comment-page-1/#comment-24420</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DHB,

What about Royal?  Cutler seemed to find him some(91 Catches).  Along with Stokley(49 Catches), Scheffler(40 Catches), Graham(32 catches.)  Did Cutler force some throws yes, but he did spread the ball around.  His biggest problem was not dumping to the back enough.  He was only in his second full season, all QB&#039;s go through growing pains.   

Look at his stats compared to Peytons 2nd full season:

Jay Cutler              4526 yards  62.3 Comp.%  25 TD&#039;s,   18 INT&#039;s  
record for first 37 games:  17-20
Peyton Manning   4135 yards, 62.1 Comp.%, 26 TD&#039;s,  15 INT&#039;s
record for first 37 games: 19-18


This is one of the reasons why myself, Kerry and others are pissed about Cutler being traded and the direction of this team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DHB,</p>
<p>What about Royal?  Cutler seemed to find him some(91 Catches).  Along with Stokley(49 Catches), Scheffler(40 Catches), Graham(32 catches.)  Did Cutler force some throws yes, but he did spread the ball around.  His biggest problem was not dumping to the back enough.  He was only in his second full season, all QB&#8217;s go through growing pains.   </p>
<p>Look at his stats compared to Peytons 2nd full season:</p>
<p>Jay Cutler              4526 yards  62.3 Comp.%  25 TD&#8217;s,   18 INT&#8217;s<br />
record for first 37 games:  17-20<br />
Peyton Manning   4135 yards, 62.1 Comp.%, 26 TD&#8217;s,  15 INT&#8217;s<br />
record for first 37 games: 19-18</p>
<p>This is one of the reasons why myself, Kerry and others are pissed about Cutler being traded and the direction of this team.</p>
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		<title>By: DHB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerry,

Is it possible that Ortorn choosing to throw to the wide open receiver is a good thing?  Cutler was pretty sure he could hit BMarsh every down in week one last year, that&#039;s not reading the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerry,</p>
<p>Is it possible that Ortorn choosing to throw to the wide open receiver is a good thing?  Cutler was pretty sure he could hit BMarsh every down in week one last year, that&#8217;s not reading the field.</p>
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		<title>By: herc rock</title>
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		<dc:creator>herc rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Craig work here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Craig work here?</p>
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		<title>By: kerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Gringo:

leave me out of your little childish whining rants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Gringo:</p>
<p>leave me out of your little childish whining rants.</p>
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		<title>By: kerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. ive never seen a QB hit a wide open receiver before that highlight video. Orton is amazing! why we didnt trade for this guy sooner is beyond me. sign him to a 100 million dollar contract right now. im so glad that we now have a game manager instead of a QB who can go out and win games instead of just playing not to lose. 

Jchase:

quit piggybacking off of me and actually have some thoughts of your own. instead of whining about what i may post, post your thoughts about why Orton is good for the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. ive never seen a QB hit a wide open receiver before that highlight video. Orton is amazing! why we didnt trade for this guy sooner is beyond me. sign him to a 100 million dollar contract right now. im so glad that we now have a game manager instead of a QB who can go out and win games instead of just playing not to lose. </p>
<p>Jchase:</p>
<p>quit piggybacking off of me and actually have some thoughts of your own. instead of whining about what i may post, post your thoughts about why Orton is good for the team.</p>
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