Broncos Claim WR C.J. Jones off Waivers

whats the possiblity of McDaniels getting Mick Vick

not sure. does McDaniels have some dog fights that need sponsoring?

kerry thats low. but i rather him all DOG killer and all rather than Kyle Orton.

Low?? did i say something that wasnt true? no i dont think so.

youd rather have a dog killing, inaccurate QB then a non dog killing inaccurate QB? hmm. i dont really see how we would be better off with Vick. except he can scramble.

Kerry your right he did kill dogs. but last time i check after you serve your time you paid your debt to society. It isnt rite to hold ppl to there past after they’ed serve there time. I just though it was Low to bring someone’s past business up like that.

O i guess in 2000 you wouldn’t have taken Ray Lewis hmmmm. I would mind Plaxico, Ronnie Brown, Brandon Marshall, Randy Moss, Marshawn Lynch, your fave Albert Hayneworth, etc. all those guys did wrong in some form to HUMANS and they are hell of great players in there own ways. And you get mad a guy for killing animals. I have four dogs and di don’t support fighting rings or killing of animals i just dont see why the guy cant move on.

Mike Vick cant instantly make this team the number one rushing offense. Being polished by a real QB coach in McDaniels can move him to a more accurate passer. I think you made this post “Orton is a “play not to lose QB” kind of like Trent Dilfer”. there is no way u compare Orton or Trent Dilfer to Mike Vick. Mike Vick is a winner who can bring a level of toughness like no other. I dont know if your in a cave up there in the rockies but before Mike Vick left only two QB names were heard more than his and that Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

Camp fodder never hurt anyone. At least it should help watching another guy practice who played in the system.

Is it wrong of me to actually respect Phillip Rivers more than I do Jay Cutler? I use the word “respect” loosely. I wish that I cared more about the newest acquisitions made by this team since the draft. I can only hope the Mc Daniels system will truly work, this gamble that Pat Bowlen has taken has me a tad bit worried.

robtink:

you are right, Mike Vick CANT make this team the number one rushing offense. and furthermore Vick sucks as a QB. all he can do is scramble. thats it. plus he has been out of the league for years so he isnt gonna walk in and do anything at all. plus he ahsnt even been reinstated and may not be at all. Vick is a bum. he is basically Vince Young but a little faster. all running and no ability to throw the ball. basically a RB TRYING to play QB.

i hear you but last time i check both young and Vick arms a stronger than Orton, they both have more TD per season in the AIR. and they both play to win. You can never knock the ability they have in the clutch when it matters the most. All i’m saying is with the proper QB coach. Vick can be a Tim Tebow and develop into a McNabb

I don’t see this guy making the roster…….. And how did we get back to QB’s? And where did Vick come from??? Or Rivers????

As mentioned before expect Orton to flourish the same way Brees has with the Saints.

Boiler UP!! – Brees speaks highly of Orton.

http://all-access.cbssports.com/player.html?code=pur&media=130024

robtink242, this offense does not require a rocket arm it requires timing and accuracy (both of which Vick lacked when he was playing) and some smarts (which once again, your boy is lacking). We haven’t seen Orton throw a single pass for this team, give the man a shot.

Is it so hard for us to imagine that a guy who put up 18tds/12ints/2900yds with the crap wr corps of the Bears can’t put up better numbers with the HUGE offensive upgrade that the Denver WR’s makeup? Let’s just add in that he’ll never be sacked 27x again, not even 15. I don’t see any reason why we won’t see an improvement in that stat line. And I don’t wanna hear anything about how good Forte was and how we carried that teams offense, 3.9 ypc is garbage in the NFL. Moreno will easily match and surpass that, all he needs is the opportunity. I don’t see this as much of stretch to project a line of 23tds/14ints/3400yds. It all falls back on what the defense can do this year. Don’t worry about Orton, all he needs to do is be accurate, the days of the airing it out down field are gone, but he does need to move his comp % over 60 for this to work, and of course there’s that lingering issue with #15. We don’t need a star, we need someone consistent.

Lot of pressure on Ayers, that’s a definite. I’ve seen a few analysts dub him as the one rookie with the most pressure on him to perform or the one rookie whose team will require the most out of them. You can actually say that for both Ayers and Moreno, if these TWO, not ONE, can have an impact then we’ll surprise a few people this year, but the emphasis will be on Ayers.

stav:

how do you know Orton wont be sacked 15 times or more? sure we have a great O-line, but behind that O-line we had a mobile, nimble QB with a quick release. Orton is a statue, slow release and has a reputation of folding under pressure.

Kerry,

No you’re a towel.

I don’t, I just have faith in the fact that McD is going to nail the fact you state above into the O-Line’s head, and that the system is setup to get rid of the ball asap, but can you honestly see Orton getting sacked 20 or more times behind that line, no way. Also, you can’t compare the lines of Chicago and Denver, one is top three and the other is average at best. So let’s say that knocks off 7-9 sacks. Let’s also keep in mind that if Moreno plays like the #12 pick, Orton won’t HAVE to pass as much, knock off another 3-5? I good running game effectively takes the pressure off of a QB by creating higher comp% passing downs. I see there’s no questioning the projected stat line though. Not too much of a reach I don’t think. I’m not saying that Orton is going to burn up the NFL in passing, but to project him to improve his overall stat line via a significant upgrade in offensive talent and protection should be a given. All he has to do is put the ball in between the numbers 60% of the time and let his receivers work on their YAC. If he can’t do that, well, what can we say, hello to the longest season ever.

I’m not going to sit here like many others and rip our QB without seeing him play live first. No, I’m going to do the math and see that we’re putting an average player behind a line of highly above average OL’s, one of the top 3 WR corps (hopefully if they can resolve THE ISSUE) in the NFL, and working with the #1 all around best RB available in the draft. Adding in that they have Hillis, and Scheffler, tell me why he can’t succeed? Anyone? You have to have SOME type of talent to start at QB and win in the NFL, right? All he has to do is get them the ball, and we’re not talking 40yd+ passes here.

Just an FYI – when did Cuntler live up to the pressure? And don’t give me against San Diego. We had a major referee eff up in that one. Just because you can throw a football 90+ mph, or aren’t afraid to throw into double coverage doesn’t mean that you THRIVE under pressure. We traded away MAJOR TALENT, but not WINNING TALENT.

Kerry,
I really can’t imagine why you think Orton will be this bad. You really think Cassel who didn’t start a game of football since 8th grade is so much better because he knew the system? McD is a “QB Genius” or whatever and picked Orton as the best candidate for at least this coming season. Orton has plenty of experience, won plenty of games in the National Football League, only 1 year on his contract, I find hard to believe Orton is soo much less mobile than Cutler was. Anyways I think he will be fine and come week 3 I hope I can say “see Kerry, not so bad.”

I call Kerry has to buy a Orton jersey and post it when Orton brings the Broncos 3-0.

It still amazes me how people can start writing off the QB, the coach, and the season way before one game has been played. Simple logic calls for giving it a chance. Every fan owes that to the team, and yourself. Orton does not have Cutlers arm, but may very well have a considerably better attitude and I, for one, would rather have a QB with some smarts and a good attitude than Captain Morgan under center. Cutler may help Chicago turn things around. Fine, good for him. Orton, or whoever in QB’ing in the future, may also help us due to the new system. We have an incredible OLine, and that plays a huge roll in overall success. McD may also be bring some smarts and new ideas. After all, he seems to have done well with a winning organization over the past eight years. Give him a chance.
Another thing that gives me some optimism is the attitude McD brings. What I mean is how he seems to be installing some order, a real hard business attitude. As for me, I like that. Shanny seemed to be running a country club, getting soft. This isnt Romper Room for a bunch of spoiled athletes with bad attitudes. Work within the system, play with everything you have, every down. If not, get out. Be a leader, not a whiner sitting on the bench waiting for the next rum and coke. How many times have Rod Smith and Eddie Mc been referenced on this forum? Just like star QBs, those types of selfless players are hard to find too. I would take a bunch of Rod Smiths and Eddie Mcs over some of the punks we have/had any day. Ok, sorry about the soapbox.

Andpark…well said and I agree, make Kerry wear the Orton jersey! Maybe a little humility will make him a little less negative! He reminds me of a grumpy old man. GO BRONCOS!

Can we make any predictions of the DLine

Weakness of the team is surely the DLine. I hope somebody steps up or its going to be a long year. We don’t have a NT or DE’s that play the 5 tech well. I hope they know how to put there hands up and get some tips.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9735822/Positional-Power-Rankings:-QB-packages

OUCH!!!!

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/positional-rankings/OFF

Nice pick Shanny, Clady is a Godsend.

I’m sure Kerry would love to be wrong about Orton (& coach!), what do you say Kerry? Let’s set some criteria for Orton being ‘better than average’ and we’ll both buy jerseys if he makes it.

That power ranking for QB’s is a joke. Remember, the Bears finished 9-7 last year, and everyone thinks thier defense was great. They were ranked 21 st. at the end of the year. The bears offense ranked worse but had a crappy O-line, and terrible receivers.

first off Denver isnt gonna gonna start 3-0. its hilarious how all of you think Cincinnati is just gonna be an automatic win. not even close. Palmer is back, Benson is healthy, Chad Johnson is back and the Bengals has the 12th overall ranked defense last year WITHOUT all the additions. guys like DE Michael Johnson they drafted. they have one of the best CB tandems in football. the Bengals are not gonna be a win. especially in Cincinnati.

broncobobmeridian:

yeah but the Bears run defense was ranked 5th in the NFL. their offense sucked because yeah they had a bad O-line, but also a bad QB.

Kerry, you make me not want to come on this site, your attitude is disgusting.

Kerry- I was stating that the QB power ranking was a joke. Last year the Bears Offense ranked 26 overall. How can you judge Orton’s play with the help he had to work with. There is no way our current QB’s rank at the bottom. It will be interesting to see how Cutler ranks with what he has to work with.

Jcampb72- Kerry is what he is. Dont let Kerry chase you away. Fans like you make this a great site!!!!
GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!

hey i dont think we are the worst but we aremt to far from it. thats if you rate the QB but every other part of this offense that will make the QB look good should of landed us top 15. atleast in general offense. Kerry we are going to beat Cincy. I’m sorry i just think this team has to much to prove and our coach should know all eyes are on him and he will put his best foot forward.

When since Bronco fans pull for the opposing team. Even in games were doubted in you stick to your team.

Kerry….

If you were in charge of a certian power ranking, ranking the entire NFL based on all factors, O, D, ST… How would it look?

rob:

oh i want the Broncos to win. absolutely. but Cincinnati isnt gonna be some team we walk all over either. believe it or not i do pay attention to other teams moves besides just the Broncos. im not just a Broncos fan but an NFL fan.

Broncobob:

how can i judge Ortons performance? its pretty simple actually. his numbers (or lack there of) scream that this guy isnt the QB that can take a team to the next level. if a QB has to have a team just to make him look good the that should cause concern. the winners and great QB’s like Marino for example are great QB’s WITHOUT players to MAKE them look good. hell even Elway had nobody around him and carried the team all throughout the 80′s. id be alot more comfortable if we had a QB that could go out and win games as opposed to a QB who needs guys to help him look decent.

Kerry- So what QB would make you feel more comfortable that can take a team to the next level(playoffs)?

T-money:

well if i had to rank the entire NFL it would maybe go something like this:

offense:
1. Patriots. healthy Brady with Moss and Welker
2. Saints. Brees. enough said.
3. Cardinals. Warner with Fitzgerald, Boldin and thew drafting of Wells.
4. Texans. a healthy Schaub with Johnson with Daniels and Slaton
5. Panthers. Delhomme, Smith, Muhammed, Williams and Stewart
6. Eagles. healthy McNabb, Westbrook. new LT Peters and rookie Maclin.
7. Chargers. healthy LT, Rivers, Sproles and Gates.
8. Falcons. Ryan, White, and Turner Running.
9. Packers. Rogers, Grant, Jennings, Driver.
10. Ravens. healthy MCGahee, Flacco with another year.
11. Cowboys. Romo doesnt have to look for TO now. and with Witten and Williams and Barber running they should be better.
12. Colts. Manning with Wayne, Gonzalez, helthy Addai and Donald Brown.
13. Bears. Cutler, Forte, Hester and Olsen
14. Dolphins. Pennington, Ted Ginn, Pat white running the wildcat and Ronnie Brown.
15.Vikings. Peterson and jackson having better years.
16 Steelers. Roethlisberger, Parker, Mendenhall, Ward.
17. Bengals. healthy Palmer, Benson, Johnson. new LT Smith and Chase Coffman at TE.
18. Broncos. Moreno, Marshall, Scheffler, Royal.
19. Giants. no Plaxico. but Jacobs and Manning with rookie Nicks.

20. Rams. healthy Bulger and Steven Jackson.
21. Redskins. healthy Portis and Campbell.
22. Jaguars. healthy Garrard. upgraded O-line. and Maurice jones drew.
23. Bills. adding TO to go with Lynch and Evans
24. Titans. Collins managing with White and Johnson running.
25. Chiefs. healthy LJ, Cassel, Bowe.
26. Seahawks. healthy Hasselback, houshmandzadeh.
27. San Fran. gore. thats about it.
28. Browns. Anderson/Quinn. Edwards, Lewis.
29. Raiders. Mcfadden. thats all they have because Russell sucks and Hayward Bey sucks.
30. Buccaneers. who knows what they have.
31. Lions. maybe a bit better offensively
32. Jets. no WR to speak of. who is there QB gonna be??

thats what id say offensively. but thats just me. now let the bashing begin as to why Denver isnt number one overall.

Broncobob:

the Qb id be comfortable with plays in Chicago unfortunately. but since i have to choose then id say none of the QB’s this team currently has are capable of it. so none. i dont think this team is going to the playoffs this year since we dumped Cutler. next year look for Matt Cassel to be in Denver if KC doesnt sign him longterm.

I don’t think Denver if no. 1. I think that 18 is accurate if not a little high. I mean I would change some teams but I was just curious. For bashing just about everything that we do I was just curious as to how the rest of the NFL plays out.

Kerry I would agree with everything except maybe Houston @ 4. Matt is constantly hurt, do you honestly think Matt Schaub, Andre Johnson and Slaton are THAT much better than Orton, Marshall and Moreno? I don’t.

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/story/11764114

Nice little review for you fantasy players out there.

Jcamp72:

uh yeah Houston is that good. they were third in offense behind Denver last year and have only gotten a healthy Matt schaub back. and yeah Schaub, Johnson and slaton are better then Orton, Moreno and Marshall. Orton is not as good as Schaub. Schaub started only 11 games last year and had more yards and less INT’s then Orton who started 15 games. Slaton had 1,282 yards and 9 TD’s and Moreno………hasnt even taken a snap in the NFL. and Johnson had over 1,500 yards and 8 TD. Marshall is in a dink and dunk offense so he may not come near the numbers he had last year. so yeah the Texans combo is better with a better QB, a proven RB and the second best WR in football behind Larry Fitzgerald. we have Orton who is not good, an unproven RB and a WR who is great but may not match his numbers due to a weaker QB. plus Marshall may be suspended during the year due to his upcoming trial. Texans Trio is definetly better and PROVEN to be better.

The only stat that matters in an offense is scoring, you should know that by now. The Texans were 17th, which means they sucked at it. Your comparison with Orton, who didn’t have an O line or recievers worth the shit I take every morning, is simply speculation. All your bs talk about Orton has no merit. He should do fine. If there is one thing mcd knows how to do its score. They put huge numbers with a backup QB, 8th in the league in scoring. Lets be optimistic like good fans and keep our heads high. You can bitch and moan all you want if we start to float up shit creek without a paddle. Moreno is gonna kill, you watch. He might even hit the 2,000 yard mark with recieving and rushing yards combined. The only thing I’m worried about is our D, especially our line.

BELIEVE IN THE SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!

I will say though that Andre Johnson is fun to watch. Clearly the second best reciever in the NFL, if not the best.

Note to Brandon and his agent.

Check out how Greg Jennings (Packers) his agent handled their contract negotiation. One word, class.

Love Marshall’s ability, hate the prima donna attitude.

jcamp:

yeah the Texans were 17th in scoring. they would have been higher had Schaub stayed healthy. and yeah my argument about Orton has complete merit. Orton has shown he isnt good. and the very fact that he NEEDS others to MAKE him look good is a big concern. he has shown he cant go out and win a game just on sheer talent, because he isnt talented. and im tried of your old argument about what McDaniels did in New England. so what! who gives a shit about what happened in New England. this isnt New England and McDaniels being here doesnt mean that success will translate to Denver. for some reason and you and everybody else cant seem to realize that.

never said they did win by themselves. clearly you cant read. i said Ortons not gonna win on sheer talent because he isnt talented. guys like Elway, Brady, Marino and Montana could pullout a win because thier talent made those around them better. Orton is the exact opposite. he needs people to make him look good. learn to fucking read. and you ask if im retarded. moron.

Kerry, You crack me up………….You get so angry…..WHY?

whoa kerry little harsh there.

jcampb72 i agree with Kerry. But the guy contradicts himself too much. I posted earlier that we should make a move on mike vick. Cause i believe he has that pullout a win mentallity or forth qrt luck. But i’m starting to think he has something against black QB. He slaughter my thoughts of Troy Smith, Pat White, and Mike Vick. Which i think is too silly. But hey i can be wrong.

I know a lot of you guys say mike vick and pat white dont fit the “system”. but its funny McDaniels held a work out for Pat White. Hmmmm mybe none of us knows the playbook. hmmm just a thought. Elway, Brady, Marino and Montana where winners because they held that mentallity.

Robtink:

dude for the last time i dont have anything against black QB’s. i say no to Mike Vick because he isnt that good and he hasnt played in so long. he isnt gonna walk in and make this team a playoff contender. neither would Pat White. they are run first QB’s and them being black has nothing to do the reason why i think they are no good. and not only were Elway, Brady, Marino and Montana winners, but they had the talent to win games by making plays. Orton has shown he doesnt have that talent to make a bad supporting cast better like Elway and Marino could.

Broncobob:

yeah im gonna be harsh because i cant stand when people dont actually read and then totally misinterpret what i post.

Montana had Jerry Rice, Elway had rod smith and many others, Brady has the most talented group of WR’s in the league as of now, Marino didn’t win shit. Lets wait and see how our QB does before we throw him under the bus.

You are right, I don’t read your posts all the way. Your attitude stinks which translates to me reading half of your negative posts. You can’t say your a realist either because its all hypothetical. Until they hit the field no one will know, not even you lerry.

Jcampb72~

Dude you’re never going to win. I hate to say it but your words are falling on def ears. Every has an opinion and everybody is allowed to express their opinion. Kerry just sees things more pessimistically then you do. There are 400 other people that are willing to talk to you about what you think. You don’t have to argue with him. On that point… I don’t think Vick would be a good move. I don’t believe that he would fit the system and secondly he’s not very accurate. I don’t think Orton is as bad as he is made out to be. I can’t wait to see what happens come training camp.

I know, I like arguing with him though. Gives me something to do till training camp.

LOL you all bash Kerry for negativity but you guys are way to optimistic. 2000 total yards for a rookie RB? Pat White a decent QB? Vick would take us to the playoffs? Sounds like a few people are drinking a bit much.

Theres nothing wrong in believing. The excitement may be blinding but I think Moreno is going to open some eyes in denver and the rest of the NFL. ALL READY #27!

I like the coment about how Houston would have been way higher in scoring % with a healthy Schaub. Sounds like speculation to me. That’s like saying if Hillis (Who I like) was heathy he would have won the rushing title. Speculation is great isn’t it. Orton and Moreno are going to surprize a lot of people this year, of course that’s just SPECULATION on my part!

jcampb72- You got some great points and I agree with the stop bashing everything and everybody until we see what they can do on the field first. Even if things go south I’m still not going to bash my team because they are my team!

If the Broncos had any faith in Orton, they’d extended his contract by now. Simms will be starting by week 7 bye, if not sooner. Both these guys are hold overs till next year. McDaniels by now, knows he made a mistake and will get the big name QB he wants by either FA or the draft.

jcamp:

dude Elway had NOBODY in the 80′s to throw to and still went to 3 SB’s. the ONLY reason they went to those SB’s was because Elway could win games by making everybody else better. Marino went to the SB in 84 with nothing and holds nearly every passing record with having anyone significant. and Brady won 3 SB’s with receivers like Troy Brown and Deion Branch. guys who arent considered excellent receivers. these guys all have something in common, their talent makes everyone around them better. as opposed to Orton who NEEDS guys to MAKE him look good. damn if a grandmother with one arm in a wheelchair was the QB for the Broncos you would think she was great. simply wearing the uniform doesnt translate to being good.

Kerry,

The same could have been said about Drew Brees a few years back. Now he makes guys like Lance Moore look like studs.

Morale of the story…

Don’t judge until it’s time.

East.

id follow that mantra of not judging until its time, if Orton was a rookie. he isnt, he has shown he isnt good, and all the excuses of what he didnt have and what wasnt there doesnt make up for the fact that he isnt talented. otherwise he would be able to make those around him better. like good QB’s usually do.

and great point about Drew Brees. Brees did good in San Diego with talent like Gates, LT and Vincent Jackson. but did better with less in New Orleans. thats the measure of a truely great QB. a guy who can do more with less.

wow. James Hasty just predicted that the Broncos will have the number one pick in the draft next year. and not because the Bears will do terrible. well the jokes on Hasty because our pick belongs to Seattle. haha.

Whatever. I’ve got a one finger solute to anybody that is going to try to convince me that we’ll go 0-16 or 3-13. That’s the biggest load to crap. You want to tell me that despite a so-so below average QB that the other 10 players that take the field are that bad too? Here’s a fun fact. Detroit has about zero o-line, zero running game, and a mystery at QB. San fran has a running back and a rookie WR that’s about it. top five pick? un-likely. top 10? likely. top 15? probably. No. 1? Put down the crack pipe Hasty.

:D nice

T-money:

yeah thats what i thought. Hasty couldnt possibly have a single clue what he was talking about. i dont understand how he could possibly still have a job after saying something like that about the Broncos.

James Hasty is a crack head. The Broncos will have a better running game next year, so Orton wont have to pass every down. The running backs that we have now with our O-line is going give alot of teams trouble. Our Defense will be much better than last year. The coaching last year was a joke! Remember, thats what got Shanny Fired! Im not saying the Defense will be great, but they will be better.

ill bet if James Hasty came out and said the Broncos are gonna go 13-3 and win the SB then he would be hailed as some genius though right?

James Hasty is just like 90% of the other so called experts. Talks alot of smack with out doing any home work. He’s as bad as Adam Shine of afternoon biltz.

No. If he said we would be 13-3 I would think he was a jackass. If you’re going to evaluate a team the do legitamently. Good reasons and supporting arguments that justify a claim, is the only way to prove anything. Otherwise you can blow it out your ass.

legitimately*

Boy Kerry I bet if Hasty said the Bears were going to go undefeated and win the super bowl you would bye a Cutler jersey to go along with all your Chargers gear….

haha…but I think its Raider gear.

Hell, KC for all we know.

Nicknames for Knowshon….

Knowshon “tha magician” Moreno
or
Knowshon “tha Don” Moreno
or………..

kerry sounds like a guy who was cut by this team and now he take his fustration out bt BLOGGING

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This was the thred . . . Broncos Claim WR C.J. Jones off Waivers . . . yawn . . . is this what it will be like until the pre-season?

Kerry hates the decisons that the Broncos have made, because they aren’t the ones HE would make. If the Broncos did everything that Kerry wanted there would not be any problems and we’d have multiple superbowls already …. so the decison is clear Pat Bowlen …fire McD/Dr. X and hire KERRY as COACH/GM/PRESIDENT… under his vast football expertise and wisdow we will get to the promised land.

Why can’t all of you see the brilliance of Kerry ?! Why isnt the NFL banging down your door Kerry?

Going back to the topic on hand … depth in any position is a good thing, it wont cost them much to test this guy out in training camp and see what he does, its a strech that he makes the team ..maybe if he was 6’4″ it would be a different story.

Just a thought………..Could Kerry really be Jay Cutler? It all makes sense.

Dee:

its not about them making moves i would have made. its about making them making moves that actually benefit and make the team better. walking in and dismantling one of the top offenses in the NFL is not a smart move. ignoring the D-line is not a smart move. dumping the best young QB in the NFL for a noodle armed bum is not a smart move. and if you or anyone else thinks these are smart moves then you should go and kill yourself right now. its got nothing to do with what i would have done, its got to do with what is smart VS not smart. tell me one other coach that took over a team and dumped his franchise QB. Spagnuolo didnt dump Bulger, Mangini didnt dump Anderson or Quinn. no smart coach walks in and destroys the best part of the football team and THEN ignores the biggest weakness. but apparently you and most on here think thats a genius move. kinda like if i take over a business, i dont fire my best employee just because.

Bad comparison Kerry,
Cutler was not the best employee by any means. He was a cancer that needed to be terminated.

Estes2SD-
I agree, Cutler has all the tools to be great, but, his attitude and leadership is terrible. He hasnt proven that he can win a must win game.

Kerry maybe overbearing, annoying, and unclear on some of his points but he is right, in that this is a bad football team. You can bash on Culter all you like, but you are only doing it because he wears a different uniform. If Cutler was in the 2009 draft he would of been the first pick. Bash on his leadership, but his teammates voted him Captain in only his second season. How can you expect him to show loyalty to the team after they tried to trade him? Pat Bowlen should have done the same thing he’s hopefully doing to Marshall. Let him sit if he’s not going to play, he was under contract.
The offense lost its Pro-Bowl QB, who had made great strides in only 3 years. Possibly might lose their Pro Bowl WR too. We had the offense to make a Super Bowl run. They may have been only 16th in the league in scoring but the Steelers were 20th, their offense looked alright in the Super Bowl. The defense is the main reason this team won’t win more than 6 games. They may have picked up Brian Dawkins but they also addressed their DL w/rookie FA’s. Cutler wasn’t the cancer. The cancer is a D they gave up 28 pts per game. Say what you will about not making a decision on this team until the season starts but I haven’t seen one expert talk about this team going to the playoffs. When was the last time a Denver team wasn’t projected/or talked about making the the playoffs? You can keep your optimism but chances are kerry will be saying I told you so by the end of the year.

Estes2sd:

well i never claimed Cutler to be a model Employee. he was also in the wrong during his whole trade escapade. he could have handled it differently. ive admitted all this. but at the same time he has WAY TOO much talent to simply trade away especially when you dont get an equal QB in return. Ayers and Orton is what we got for Cutler. they are not going to replace a damn good QB who was on the verge of becoming elite. we could have kept Cutler and still drafted Ayers. or kept Cutler and drafted Moreno. dumping him was not neccasary regardless of his attitude. he was young and had been pampered by Shanahan. if McDaniels is such a genius as most claim him to be then he could have coached Cutler to be a better leader and make better football decisions on the field. it was a stupid move that crippled the team, not helped it. he was not a cancer at all. TO is a cancer, Chad Johnson is a Cancer. Cutler never threw his teammates under the bus. yes his leadership skills needed work. but what 25 year old QB doesnt need leadership work? McDaniels and Bowlen gave up on trying to further Cutler into being a great to Elite QB because he dared not return a phone call. every little camp that was going on was not mandatory and Cutler didnt have to be there. he even stated publicly that he would be at everything mandatory. but instead of try to work it out, Bowlen and McDaniels had to brandish their authority and got rid of him before even trying to work things out. making a phone call or a text message doesnt qualify as trying to work things our for the betterment of the team. Cutler wasnt required to be at anything that wasnt mandatory and NOT ONE player is required to pick up his phone when the coach or owner calls.

Broncobob:

Cutler is solely the reason this team won 8 games this year. we had no defense and no running game. without Cutler this team wins maybe 4 games total. Cutler pulled out wins with shit talent on the defense and nobody (until Hillis) at the RB position. if you really think we would have won 8 games with Patrick Ramsey then you are crazy. Cutler proved he can pull out wins without help from the defense or the running game. the defense is solely to blame for the seasons failures. they could stop NOBODY. Cutler had to throw 80% of the time just to keep this team in the game. so of course he was gonna throw INT’s. i mean i seriously cannot believ people on this site or any other site think we are better with Kyle Orton! a freaking backup who didnt even play in 06 and only played 3 games in 07. theres a reason why EVERYBODY in the NFL world outside of the blind followers thinks the Broncos are completely rebuilding and are in no way a contender.

Kerry

You do make some good points, and let me say this about Cutler. I’m not denying that he is talented , he makes dumb decisons on the football field but he is talented…. What I grew tired of his is attitude and his whining.

Cutler is not a leader. A leader would be someone after seeing his coach fired and seeing that he was almost traded by a new coach steps up and says

“THIS IS MY TEAM, WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TRADING ME”

A leader sucks it up and proves the new coach wrong, proves when shit gets tough he doesn’t take his ball and go home because he isnt picked first.

This team traded guys like Sharpe and Atwater…..they’ve released guys like Al Wilson and almost got rid of ELWAY! , The NFL is a business N.F.L (NOT FOR LONG) … No one is untouchable …NO ONE.
So it didnt entirely surprise me that they “talked” about trading Cutler, what did surprise me was his reaction … instead of proving his worth, he went home.

For both Cutler and Marshall seeing how quickly they asked for trades out of here, really tells me that they never really wanted to be here.

Dee:

like i said Cutler did handle it wrong. but at the same time McDaniels should have used his supposed “genius” and mentored the kid to become that leader that this team needs. but i really think this trade was more about “who the boss is” then about Cutler saying he wanted out. Bowlen and McDaniels had to brandish thier authority and it cost the team the best young QB in the league. yes i didnt like his whining either, BUT the guy has way too much talent to just give up on before even seeing how things go in camp. McDaniels should have waited until the mandatory camps were over to actually see if he and Cutler could co-exsist. if they couldnt then dealing him would have been just, but dealing him before actually working together was wrong. and it will cost this team for a while. i mean the set back is gonna be enormous.

and i dont hink them asking for trades was a sign that they didnt wanna be here, but more a reactionary jolt to change. Cutler and Marshall were used to being babied by Shanahan. now a guy comes in who wont baby them and they have a kneejerk reaction. but McDaniels could have shown how much of a genius he really is by saying “hey come to the mandatory camps, lets work together and see how the coach/player relationship works, then we will go from there” and Cutler even said he was gonna be at everything mandatory. so him saying he will be there was a step in the right direction but apparently its an affront to Bowlens authority if you dont answer a phone call. it was a decision that was made too quick and made before seeing if it would actually work.

it raises too many questions about McDaniels patience when it comes to players.

Kerry

I think it sets a line in the sand , its my way or the highway …. which is dangerous … but I believe a nice change from Shanny’s country club.

Cutler was the exception and not the norm…. I dont think McD has lost the room and I do believe B Marshall will be back with the team, and also believe he will get arrested again.

You don’t need a laser arm in this system, you need good decision making. This is an area Cutler needs vast improvement and one where YES, Orton is an upgrade. We’ll see where he gets us this year. If we suck Offensively, it will fall squarely on McD and Orton’s shoulders.

With that being said I think we would all feel more comfortable with Cutler under McDaniel’s tutelage but Cutler is a bitch and couldn’t handle “his coach” getting fired and the business behind football with the possibility of his trade. He is a whiney bitch. Period. Maybe he grows up. I no longer hope so.

So good riddance. Let’s get past it and hope this coach has a clue. Everyone I know in and around the front office says the way McD and Xanders are running things is night and day better than the old regime. So there you have it. Positive vibes from inside (and no they don’t win you games but it shows McDaniel’s does have patience contrary to some opinions).

This year we will likely stink. New systems, new players, and extremely difficult schedule. But I expect that we will play a lot harder and won’t be getting blown out. It will be fun to see the team fight and grow. Hopefully we show improvement by the end of the season and this gives us enough momentum going in to 2010 to have a decent season.

And 1 more thing – Field position and turnovers win ballgames. Those are 2 things Cutler had a huge impact on that affected our Defense so just because he had a few huge games and put up some numbers doesn’t mean he isn’t responsible for putting our Defense in bad positions to be scored on.

The fact that Shanny didn’t see this shows me our team got better with a new coach and also shows me we can do just fine without Cutler.

Oc Bronco:

sorry man but Orton is not an upgrade when it comes to decision making. he turned the ball over 17 times last year while throwing it 200 times LESS then Cutler. Culter turned it over 20 times, but threw it 200 more times. if Orton had 100 more opportunities then he did, he would have turned it over more then Cutler did. Orton doesnt take better care of the football, he just happened to throw it less.

and are you f**KING kidding me? you are gonna blame Cutler for the problems with the defense?? what the hell did you watch?? its the defenses job to stop the other teams offense! regardless of what field position they might have! the defense have up 28 points a game last year and thats somehow Cutlers fault??!! bullshit! Cutler had to throw the ball 45 times a game just to keep the Broncos in the game, because the defense couldnt stop anyone! that isnt Cutler fault. NOTHING about the defense is Cutlers fault.

“responsible for putting our Defense in bad positions to be scored on” that is the stupidest line ive ever read on here. PFFFFFTTTTTTT. its the defenses job to stop the other regardless of field position. and when the defense doesnt hold up its end then the team fails. without Cutler this team wouldnt have come close to winning the division. Cutlers as much to blame for the bad defense as the janitor or the peanut guy. and all this “we will do just fine” well “just fine” doesnt make a team a contender. “just fine” isnt what SB teams are made of. McDaniels took apart a SB caliber offense. just fine isnt gonna make this team great. they are now a bad team with WAY MORE question marks then answers.

OC Bronco,

I’m with Kerry, blaming Cutler for the defensive problems is a little ridiculous. Last i checked, Cutler didn’t play on the front-7.

All good points Gentlemen, but tell me this…. Why are turnovers so important? Why is field position so important?

I am not blaming Cutler for our shitty defense, just making the point that high turnovers and bad field position influence the defenses ability to stop their opponent. To that extent I’m sure you don’t disagree with me. Maybe you just don’t feel it had an impact on our Broncos.

The same could also be said in reverse and you could blame Cutler’s need to put up so many points on his poor decision making. That would be just as fair. Bottom line, managing the game is the QB’s job.

Additionally, Orton did not have the protection Cutler had. I have NEVER seen a QB consistently not even get touched like Cutler was last year. I will give Orton a chance with this line and in this system. Is he an upgrade? as Kerry said… PFFFFFFFFTTTTT but I still think he can manage a game in this primarily dink and dunk offense.

I doubt you guys will be coming back to this post but this post on MHR is just what I was talking about!!!!!!!

http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/7/7/940321/interceptions-and-the-havoc-they

Proves my point to the letter.