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Published on 05/22/2009 at Fri May 22 14:00.
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Pat Bowlen is not Brimming Over with Confidence in Kyle Orton

Posted Fri May 22nd by

The Denver Broncos have had quite the offseason. They fired a head coach, hired a young gun, signed a safety, traded a quarterback, and drafted blindfolded (just kidding – sort of). When all is said and done, the fruits of their labor will be seen on the field; until then, the masses can only speculate.

Don’t count owner Pat Bowlen among the masses. Appearing on ESPN Radio Chicago this week, Bowlen hesitated to comment about the status of his team. Furthermore, when asked about Kyle Orton, Bowlen couldn’t commit to the ex-Bear as the starter.

“It’s a little early for me to start commenting on stuff like that, so we’ll see. We’re going through some OTAs and you know we’re watching guys throw footballs around. But, we’re a long way away-at least I’m a long way-from making any serious judgment calls on who is going to be good and who isn’t.”

We’ve known it’s a race between Chris Simms and Orton, but I’d be able to sleep a lot easier if one of these guys would start to pull away. Hopefuly we’ll get more answers during the Broncos’ minicamp/passing camp on May 26-29, June 2-5 and 8-10.

ESPN Radio Podcast with Pat Bowlen (scroll to about 39:12)

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  • rcsodak

    WOW! Kyle, you should write for the NYTimes. You spin as good as they do. Or are you just trying to get some action here, by reaching ?

    Why is it, that when a person simply answers a question with their personal opinion, that they are somehow tipping their hand?

    Question: Is it NOT early in the process? ie. Have any of the qb’s lined up behind the Online, facing an opposing D?
    Question: Since when does throwing the ball around, IN SHORTS, constitute enough of a framework for an evaluation?

    I guess you’ll never be accused of ‘just reporting the news’……. :rollseyes:

  • robtink242

    i wish he thought before he brought in McDaniels

  • Olen

    We will just have to read between the lines .Kyle you are right in the sense of he is not overly confident . I feel with 3 QB’s we are all in the same boat . Who is the most overall talented we will see as time goes on .

  • robtink242

    yeh i haven’t heard much about TB.wonder how he’s performing

  • TAS

    Yeah, that was a definite statement showing a lack of confidence, wasn’t it?

    Do you write at the DP, too. Same fodder for stories.

    What a knuckleheaded header for a story. Get a clue spin doctor.

  • http://broncotalk.net Kyle

    Quoting the owner: I don’t know if our starting quarterback is going to be good.

    Sorry if my eyebrows were raised, I’m so used to “it’s all good” and coach-speak that anything that honest gets my attention.

  • kerry

    well one of two things are going on here, one is that Bowlen is just being tight lipped about the progress of the QB’s, or ALL the QB’s are sucking so bad that the owner cant possibly say anything positive. i tend to think its both. the QB’s suck and the owner isnt letting on about that either, thus reinforcing my theory that he maybe beginning to regret his decision to bring in McDaniels and trading Cutler.

    Kyle im with you. most are so used to the typical Shanahan party line of how good the players are that its actually refreshing to hear someone speak the truth. i think Bowlens inability to lavish praise on the players is a huge sign that this season is bound for the toilet.

    in the words of the wiseone Borat “i go to capital city to watch the ladies while they make a toilet”

    well we are witnessing McDaniels “make a toilet” out of this football team. dark days are ahead.

  • http://cdn0.sbnation.com/profile_images/111140/La_La_Mascot.jpg WhidbeyBronco

    Wow, just dropped in from the koolaid drunk MHR blogs…

    My true hope is for immediate success (one or two years) but if we can’t have that, I truly prefer a quick failure to the painful years choosing the wrong leader usually means in the NFL!

  • Anthony33

    Quoting the owner: “But, we’re a long way away-at least I’m a long way-from making any serious judgment calls on who is going to be good and who isn’t.”

    Honest answer, not a slam, not an endorsement.

    There is something I have seen in recent weeks that give me hope. Go onto the Broncos web site and watch the interviews with their draft picks. With the exception of Ayers, they all come across very well. They are articulate, seem of have a grasp of the situation they are in and are comfortable enough with themselves to look the interviewer in the eye and talk striaght to him. Nice change of pace from most of the half-wits (long gone half-wits) that couldn’t put a simple sentence together. It would drive me nuts to watch Cutler being interviewed and all you got was the cliche answer and he is looking around at everything but the interviewer.

    What I see in all this is the type of players the Bronx are trying to bring in. Smart and tough. Let’s hope that translates to wins.

    Go check it out.

  • roshon2411

    Bowlen is not making an endorsement because neckbeard is any good. There is a reason he got benched in favor of Grossman. A QB alone isn’t going to get you to the SB but he’ll defnitely keep you from getting there. But at least the team intereviews well, might be a bad football team but at least they’re articulate.

  • Trey

    First of all, Bowlen is not stating anything negative about Orton, as the author states. If you read it in context and with proper understanding that words have meaning, then the correct conclusion is the Bowlen doesn’t watch the OTA’s and that he doesn’t know how it will turn out. If he would have said he was “concerned” that would be different. Bowlen, on the other hand, makes a sweeping statement that he doesn’t know who will be good and who will not. So stop publicizing that he said something significant when indeed he did not.

  • kerry

    come middle of the season Bowlen is gonna realize his huge mistake of getting rid of Cutler. Orton is not gonna be anything more then a game manager. he wont win in a shootout, and we dont have the defense to stop anyone when it counts. maybe bowlen put down the booze long enough to see this.

  • http://ttmt.com T-Money

    Kerry

    How can you possibly make such an assumption? I know that you hate the McD hiring and that you think this team is going down the drain, but how can you possibly back up any of your theories without the Broncos even going into training camp? Pat Bowlen is jumping the gun like everybody else. OTAs are no way to show any talent whatsoever. There are only to run formations and plays so come training camp everybody knows the play book. Give it time before you abandon ship.

  • broncoNM

    I like the post because it helps with the boredom through the summer but this is just offseason nonsense. Its not even june yet…no one is going to make an endorsement. All the players are just running around in shorts playing slap ass. Front office wants to keep heavy competition through the offseason. McD and staff will have the same quotes for the next couple of months about the QB’s “The guys are working hard and are making great strides but there is still some work to be done”… These quotes from bowlen & co. are good to create some needed offseason banter but thats about it.

  • http://broncotalk.net Kyle

    Just one other quick note – I don’t like being accused of spin/boredom posts. I’m not going to post just for the sake of posting, and I’m not like the NYT/DPO where my stories are written and spun solely to sell papers. I listened to the interview and this is EXACTLY what I took from it.

    I respect everyone’s opinions too and see how they didn’t come to the same conclusion, but I hear a hint of regret in Bowlen’s voice and I’m starting to fear we’re in for a long season.

  • Paul

    I hear you Kyle…people lash out over stupid things you know that bro.

  • dmvegasbronco

    Kyle, WOW you would get paid alot for this negative non viable piece.
    We have listened to Mr. Bowlen and he stated nothing. Basically ‘too early’ makes you post ‘no confidence’ WOW
    Just had to spin something to get a paycheck huh?
    Here is something for you, Coach McDaniels has the TEAM on track without the selfish individuals. Since we have not seen a TEAM in Denver for about 10 years, these bloggers must be jealous of a ‘kid’ that knows way more about football then they do.

  • roshon2411

    Kyle,

    I’m with you on this…Bolwen doesn’t say anything negative about Orton but he doesn’t say anything positive either. As your title of the piece states, there’s no glaring confidence shown that Orton can be the QB to lead this team or even be the starting QB. As a fan, I want my owner and coach to have the confidence to state a certain player/team is doing well. It’s not about what was said, but what wasn’t said. I don’t recall if the question was asked last year or not, but if Shanny or Bowlen was asked “How’s Cutler, and what are your expectations after he was diagnosed with diabetes?”, I’m sure neither one of them said, “It’s a little early for me to start commenting on stuff like that…”

  • http://cdn0.sbnation.com/profile_images/111140/La_La_Mascot.jpg WhidbeyBronco

    dmvegasbronco
    are u kidding?
    We don’t know ANYTHING about our TEAM yet!!
    Give it a break!
    On track? How?

  • robtink242

    did anyone see Knowshon at the Nuggets / Lakers game. Good to know he’d loving Denver.

  • http://myspace.com/paraleipsis jchase8410

    Most of the comments I ever read on this site are from such drama queens. You cry and cry about not having any new posts, and when you get one, you attack the writer. Everyone needs to get over themselves

  • Rob Bronco

    At this point, we need to get on board come hell or high water. Cutler is gone. Shanahan is gone. Whether those will be good things or not remains to be seen. The one thing we know for sure is that what we had wasn’t working.

    We have some talent on this team. Our offense was #2 last season, and most of those players are returning. There’s no question that our running game will be better. What remains to be seen is how our defense is going to respond.

    Pat Bowlen wants to win. Do you REALLY think he would have fired Shanahan if he didn’t care one way or the other? Of course not. But he’s on the fence right now because he hasn’t seen it all come together. I’m glad to hear that he’s not saying what he thinks we want to hear.

  • http://cdn0.sbnation.com/profile_images/111140/La_La_Mascot.jpg WhidbeyBronco

    Rob
    “The one thing we know for sure is that what we had wasn’t working. ”

    I beg to differ. It takes years to build a team! And luck! We had how many injuries to the 2nd youngest line-up in the NFL? We were how many games out of the play-offs? We had the second ranked offense with 7 different RBs! Our O-line was just beginning to prosper! Jay was just two and a half years in! Our WRs were getting to know the offense and their QB. A running game & just the slightest improvement on our sorry defense and we’d be competing for the Championship this year!

    I’m on board with supporting the Broncos… I know no other way. Just don’t Iv the Koolaid please!

  • kerry

    T-money:

    how can i make such an assumption? simple, we traded our Pro Bowl QB, got considerably older in the secondary, STILL have no D-line to speak of, have a noodle armed QB in both Simms and Orton.

    i think its safe to say all the variables for a terrible season are in place thanks to MCDunce. if we still had Cutler we at least would have had a chance to outscore opponents. kind of like last year. if we didnt have Cutler putting up huge numbers and outscoring opponents we would have won maybe 4 or 5 games tops. you gonna tell me Kyle Orton is gonna replicate that offensive power?? no i dont think so. and that is not an assumption. we wouldnt have beaten the Chargers or the Saints. that right there drops us to 6-10 had we not had Cutler.

    i seriously cant understand how most cant grasp the magnitude of how bad this team is. new coaches, new defensive scheme, new QB, no D-line, no pass rush. i mean really how can anyone expect this team to do anything but be bad? if its just blind loyalty that is leading most to think this team is good then thats absurd. because im loyal to them and i dont think this team is better then a 6-10 season. if we had some semblance of a pass rush then i might think a bit differently because games can be won on sheer defense alone. since we dont have a defense and our offensive firepower is gone, then of course the season looks like a losing one already. most claim “Oh we drafted Knowshon Moreno so we will be better in scoring” and that would hold true had we kept Cutler. Orton is not going to replace 4,500 yards and 25 TD’s. and Moreno is not gonna make up for the difference. we could have kept Cutler and STILL gotten Moreno and our offense would truely be scary. but no McDaniels just had to come in and mess with the offense. so if you or anyone else cant understand how this team has gotten worse as opposed to better then im sorry i cant explain it better. oh i didnt even mention the brutal schedule we have.

  • http://espn tpetec

    rob–you don’t need to saythat it wasn’t working. Bowlen said it all back in dec, but i have to agree with what you say.

    whidbey– you say ‘it takes years to build a team.’ was 14 long enough? 9-7. 8-8, 8-8. these are the latest results.

    oh, and as for as a #2 off., how about #16 b/c it is points that counts. not weather you gained alot of yards. i have never seen yards gained on a scoreboard. if we were to have made the play-offs it would have been a embarsment. just like cutler was at the pro-bowl.

    as for as you go Klyle, BOWLEN is not going to commit ‘as to the ex-bear being the starter’. he has ALWAYS let his coaches do their job. he is not Al Davis. you should have told it like it came out: i’ll know as soon as Mac tells me.

  • http://espn tpetec

    kerry, i take it that you are not a fan of MAC? do you think Cutler would have had another 4,500 yeard? how can you say we have no pass rush, no this or bad that? no-one has gained a yard ,yet. i’ll wait at least until the 1st qt of the 1st game to even start to call the broncos a (bad) 6-10 team.
    our deffencivebacks are vastly improved. this will make the QB have to hold the ball a little longer, witch in turn helps the pass rushers, witch in turn helps the blitzers, therefor more sacks and the ball keeps rolling from there. IMO we have very muched improved the D by adding our new Def. cord.
    yes, i can see why everyone is high on devner this year, but the ‘masses’ ARE going overboard. we should go 9-7 this year. and with the teams we are playing that is a fair record, we might even make wild card. But what most people are waiting for is last years and this years rookies!!!!!! when they hit the field as a unit……. look out world.

  • http://ttmt.com T-Money

    Kerry

    I understand where you are coming from and most of that is true but you cant overlook this team like you’re doing. Most of Cutler’s success was because he was playing behind the best offensive line in the game and the ONLY reason he threw for 4,500 yards was because we Zero…I mean nothing… for a running game. And to completely deject our offense’s firepower is just stupid. Brandon Marshall (suspended or not) is a beast, eddie royal, brandon stokley, peyton hillis, danial gram… If you have ever played football you’ll understand that the QB can’t carry a team without a supporting cast. And now you throw a name like Knowson in the mix and you have a running game that can limit the amount of pressure you put of simms or orton, and you have a very very very good offense.

    Defensive speaking you might be right. The addition of Brian Dawkins might be enough of a glue for a defensive backfield but it’s useless if you don’t have a pass rush, so i agree with you there. So to say the this team is going down in flames is just dumb. Cutler is good. Really good. Was is flat out stupid to let him go? Yes! Will it hurt this team? Maybe in the 4th quarter. 11 guys take the field and all 11 guys have a job to do. Keep in mind too that Kyle Orton’s offensive line was as bad as our defensive line and when you are constantly running for you life and getting slammed to the turf you and instantly 30% less effective hands down.

    will this team make the playoffs? Probably not. Will this team be a contender in the AFC West? If San Diego’s improves, not at all. If they play like last year… Don’t count out the Broncos or the Chiefs. Lastly, I don’t think it is fair to look at a schedule and base it off of the previous year. EVERY TEAM CHANGES. Tampa Bay is not as elite, Miami could be a playoff caliber team, look at Jacksonville and Green Bay… To very good teams that under performed… My point is this… By Assuming a teams caliber based purely off of coaching changes, the draft, and a schedule, without even getting to training camp or a practice with full contact is an ill advised assumption. It’s a dumb as saying the Detroit Lions will win the super bowl in 2009.

  • http://cdn0.sbnation.com/profile_images/111140/La_La_Mascot.jpg WhidbeyBronco

    Yeah, I don’t see how anyone can make an educated guess as to our season for a month or two! There are so many variables at this point!

    tpetec { 05.24.09 at Sun May 24 13:05 })

    “whidbey– you say ‘it takes years to build a team.’ was 14 long enough? ”

    14 years? We were just in the AFC championship game a few years back. What do you want? If a Superbowl is your only measure of success, how did you survive as a fan the 30 years or so before our Superbowl wins? Goodness gracious!

    Ok, as to the rest… However you measure our offense last year, it was pretty damn good even without a running game! It was on it’s way to being great! Now, we’re back to square one with LESS hope! Brilliant.

  • broncoNM

    Its true we made it to the AFC champ game…In fact we did it without cutler so can we stop with all the whining that cutler is gone… Not much any of us can do about it now… McD is supposedly the new offensive guru who made cassel look amazing and made him the 14 miillion dollar man that he is today…might as well see what he can do with orton… Im all for being realistic and i dont expect everyone to hammered on koolaid but McD and orton have not even played a down yet…If we start the ’09 season 0-5 than we can all agree that the dark days are here and we can talk about how bowlen should get dropped kicked in the nuts…but its only june

  • roshon2411

    T-Money you say we can’t assume the broncos are going to be good or bad by the changes made and it would be ill advised to make an assumption, well, aren’t you making an assumption about the Lions?

    It’s funny how much Shanny get bashed. He only average 9+ wins a year since Elway retired. Yeah he only won 1 playoff game since than, but do you know how many playoff games the Broncos have one in their history without Elway? 3 and thats including Shanny’s one. As Broncos fans we were spoiled watching Elway through the years. The loss of a HOF coach, and a Pro Bowl QB will be too much. Put me in the front of the line of “I told you so”.

    This team has too many holes and alot of areas to improve. T-Money you mention the Cutler success was due to the the Best Offensive Line in the game, far from true. Denver has really good nucleus but they are far from the best in the game. This line is fantastic pass blockers, but they are weak in the running game. Why do you think they were number 2 in offensive but 16 in points? The passing lines get tight so running the ball in the red zone is crucial. This line doesn’t explode yet. It was Clady’s one weakness and why he was drafted 12 last year and not in the top 5.

    I feel like Randy Quaid’s character from Major League 2, always bashing on my team, but there hasn’t been this drastic of a change since Elway retired and a 6-10 record is what accurred, I think this team will be lucky to get 6 wins.

    I think most football prognosticators would agree. Yes they do sometimes get it wrong(Dolphins last year) but many of them also picked the Giants, Steelers, Chargers and others to do well too.

    I would be amped for this team if they had picked a defensive minded coach and an offense with Cutler, Moreno, Marshall, Royal, Clady and the others. Either way, since the Cutler fiasco is over and not much news is coming out of Bronco camp, how about a thread for predictions, not just the Broncos. Maybe a division/team weekly till the season starts? Give us all more to discuss.

  • http://ttmt.com T-Money

    Roshon2411

    First off I was using the Lions as a sarcastic assumption of winning the Super Bowl, and how it’s just as unpredictable as the 2009-2010 Denver Broncos. I’m here to tell you what you can or can’t believe. If you think the Broncos are going to suck be my guest, i just think it’s to early to make such an assumption.

    Secondly I stand corrected. I was attempting to make my point that the Broncos PASSING offensive line was one of the best if not the best. I a do believe that is 75% of Cutlers success. Keep in mind he was only sacked 11 times in and entire season. That’s absolutely amazing considering how may times we had to completely abandon the run. Just look at the numbers… 11 sacks/616 pass attempts= 1.7%. That is without a doubt part of his production.

    Lastly, just to point out one last thing… If we would have hired a defensive minded coach we wouldn’t have selected KM. My main point is that I have a hard time believing that Jay Cutler, as good as he is, was the sole reason for the little success that we had. I also don’t believe that our Defense is as bad as people think. With the exception of Champ Baliey there was Zero leadership in the secondary… Think of it like this… When the nuggets brought in Chancey Billups, that “old washed up player”, it brought a mentality and leader to the team. And in 3/4 of a season they are still in contention for their first NBA finals. Sometimes that’s all it takes.

  • roshon2411

    Comparing basketball to football is apples to oranges. In basketball one player can turn around a team, ala Lebron. When does that happen in football? Besides, which player did the Broncos bring in, that can be their “Chauncey Billups”.

  • http://cdn0.sbnation.com/profile_images/111140/La_La_Mascot.jpg WhidbeyBronco

    broncoNM
    If you’d stop making comments like “stop with all the whining that cutler is gone…” I wouldn’t go on about it! I’m pissed still about that one but I NEVER whine. Ass. I was pointing out our recent success before Jay and you HAD to go there! Drop it!

    roshon2411

    Spot on!! Wish I’d have wrote it.

    T-money
    “I a do believe that is 75% of Cutlers success. Keep in mind he was only sacked 11 times in and entire season. That’s absolutely amazing considering how may times we had to completely abandon the run. Just look at the numbers… 11 sacks/616 pass attempts= 1.7%. That is without a doubt part of his production.”

    You give the line an “Amazing” when they pass block well when we abandon the run but give little credit to the QB who passed for 4500 yards when they KNEW we were passing?!! You usually seem more aware. Also Jay had an uncanny ability to keep plays alive after our tremendous blocking broke down!

    Now back to the Broncos! We can only hope that McD is the QB guru he’s billed to be; we need him to be…

    Check out TB’s first look at our possible 53 man roster by position! Great article. (minus the Troll commentary)

    http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/5/25/877515/shallow-thoughts-nearsighted

    Go Nuggets!

  • http://myspace.com/paraleipsis jchase8410

    Roshon
    Chauncey Billups is a smart, emotional leader who coaches on the court and rarely makes mistakes. Despite his age, he still makes plays, and creates opportunities for his teammates.

    If you take the time to contemplate what others may be talking about before your reflex of spite, you might understand more. Veteran player, coach on the field, emotional leader, playmaker… Brian Dawkins definately fits that bill. Not to mention better defensive coaching from the coordinator down to every position coach.
    Go Lakers!

  • broncoNM

    Haha…Whid, i guess i didnt know i “went there”…that comment was not directed at you just making a general statement…you might be burned out on the “whining cutler” comments but im tired of the “imagine if we had cutler and moreno and we trade javis moss for pitt’s defensive line”. The “what could have been” senerio’s are getting old to me… I would rather talk about our current QB’s and how moreno will help them instead of how awesome it could have been if cutler was still here. I understand the frustration of the cutler trade…We all love the broncos but since none of us have a say in what the team does we might as well get past cutler and hope for the best. Maybe they can make a thread about if cutler was still here… Ass.

  • kerry

    Teptec:

    ok you have a huge fault in your logic. a better secondary means nothing if the pass rush sucks. thats A FACT. you can have Champ Bailey, Nnamdi Asomugha, Brian Dawkins and Ed Reed in your secondary and they will be ineffective because the QB has all day to throw. a secondary is helpless when a QB has all day to throw. a better secondary does NOT make the pass rush more effective, but a great pass rush makes ANY secondary a better secondary. i mean take the emperor Shanahan for example, all those CB’s in Bailey, Paymah, Bly, Foxworth and Williams, and no pass rush. our defense was terrible. now take the Giants. all that great pass rush and a decent secondary, and they held the greatest offense in football to 14 in the SB. yeah i think that right there spells it out that a great pass rush is WAY MORE vital then an improved secondary.

    T-money,

    uh yeah i have actually played football for a few years in both high school and college. so i know the ins and outs of what a football team needs and doesnt need. and downgrading the QB position is not a good thing!! our offensive firepower is not nearly as good regardless of what supporting cast Orton has. Orton cant make the plays Cutler can, he cant extend the play like Cutler can. the QB is where it all starts and downgrading the QB position doesnt make the offense better!!! dumping a Pro Bowl QB and adding an untested rookie RB doesnt not classify as a great offense. what the hell are you watching??!!

  • kerry

    T-money:

    here is another thing. if we traded John Elway and just kept Terrell Davis, would our offense still have been great?? NO!!! all teams would have to do is stop the run knowing there is no threat from the QB. thats exactly why Knowshow wont be as effective as most THINK he will be. all temas have to do is load the box and stop him knowing Orton cant beat them deep. it will be exactly like Griese/Portis all over again. bad QB with a good RB. that is not a winning formula. that would work with a great defense to fall back on but we dont even have a decent defense let alone a great one.

  • http://BroncoTalk.net Mr.East

    Kerry,

    Saying if Elway was traded is like saying if you traded Optimus Prime from the Autobots. That’s just something uyou don’t do. Jay Cutler is more like starscream, not a badass like Megatron.

  • kerry

    East.

    yeah i know thats something that you just dont do. but my point being is that by downgrading the QB position you effectively weaken that position drastically and weaken the entire offense. it all starts with the QB. yes Cutler may not be megatron, yet, but he was well on his way.

  • roshon2411

    Kerry,

    I’m with you, the downgrade from QB will weaken the offensive. Weather you like Shanny or not, does anyone think McD is a better offensive coach? Besides how many bum QB’s have taken a team to the Super Bowl? Grossman, Brad Johnson, Dilfer? I think must of us would agree all three of those teams made it because of their defense, and Denver’s D is not close.

    Jchase

    I did contemplate what T-Money said, and I think it’s absurd to compare Basketball to Football. In basketball there’s 5 starters and maybe 12 on the team. In football 22 starters and 53 players on the roster.

    However you really want to try and compare, do you really think Dawkins is going to have the same impact on this team that Billups has had with the Nuggets? Billups for one, is three years younger, one season removed from and All-NBA season and the point guard is essentially the QB for basketball. He touches the ball nearly every play, and is on the court nearly 80% of the time. You might be able to compare a top-notch QB or RB, but not a safety. Besides didn’t Denver try this once before, with Lynch?

  • kerry

    Roshon:

    yes exactly!!! thank you for making my point! i dont think McDaniels is a better or worse offensive coach then Shanahan, but Shanahan did know that you need a top tier QB to win. if we had a dominant defense then i would be very optimistic. SB’s can be won on sheer defensive dominance, but not on offensive dominance. just ask the Patriots of a couple years ago. ask the Colts when they had all offense and no defense. but they finally won a SB when they had a bit of balance on both sides of the ball. and im with you on how you cant compare basketball to football. in fact that is the stupidest comparison ive ever heard. Chauncey Billups has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with football. Brian Dawkins is not gonna just magically make the entire defense, let alone the entire team better. Brian Dawkins and Champ Bailey will be made to look like fools if the pass rush isnt improved, and at this point there is no reason to think it will be better.

    i laugh when i read about all these magical dream scenarios that some come up with. here are some of the all time knee slappers:

    “oh well if Billups can change the nuggets then Dawkins can change the Broncos”.

    “if this guy is moved to this position then this guy can be better”.

    “another RB makes all the difference regardless of who our QB is”

    “an improved secondary gives the pass rush more time to rush the QB”

    “Knowshon Moreno is the next Terrell Davis”

    “Chris Baker is a great NT” (even though he wasnt drafted)

    my personal favorite is: ” if we just rotate the current D-linemen and keep them fresh then we will be ok”

    i mean seriously some say these things like they are trying to psych themselves into thinking this team is better then they actually are. does anyone think that Lions fans, or 49er’s fans come up with this ridiculous, dillusional bullshit?? lol

  • Rob Bronco

    I can’t believe that everyone is still bitching about the offseason. Cutler is gone. Shanahan is gone. GET OVER IT already. Are they a better team because of those moves? No. Are they now a playoff contender because of those moves? No.

    But I’m tired of hearing everyone bitch about it. LET THEM PLAY. McDaniels is going to get his chance. If he wins, chumps like Kerry are going to be saying “Man, I knew he was going to be awesome from the moment he came on board”. And if he loses, the same chumps will be screaming “I told you so! Hang him until he chokes!”

    The Broncos are a storied franchise. They have a wonderful history, the league’s best fans, and an owner who actually cares about the team. If you want to continue to complain, then go cheer for a perennial losing team like the Lions or the Raiders. But either way, enough with the complaining. I can’t wait for the season to start. I’m hopeful that the team will make us proud. But if they don’t, I will still be a Broncos fan. My family, my friends, my son, and wife – we’ll all be Broncos fans.

  • kerry

    wow Rob, you are bitching about the bitching. makes you worse then anyone. lol. what an asshat!! thanks for making everybody on here look smarter with your whining little rant about other peoples rants.

  • NathanH47

    take a deep breath kerry.

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    Roshon2411~

    I am not comparing football to basketball. I was using Chancy Billups as an analogy. Jchase8410 knows what i am talking about. He said “Chauncey Billups is a smart, emotional leader who coaches on the court and rarely makes mistakes. Despite his age, he still makes plays, and creates opportunities for his teammates. Veteran player, coach on the field, emotional leader, play maker… Brian Dawkins definitely fits that bill. Not to mention better defensive coaching from the coordinator down to every position coach.” That is exactly what i meant. He could be the Ray Lewis type of player and will make sure every player does his job every play. To answer your question. Ray Lewis, Peyton Manning, Michale Strahan are all leaders that can single handedly turn a team around. And that is a very brief list.

    Kerry~

    I am not trying to personally attack you here. I agree with you in the fact that down grading a QB will go down as the dumbest move in Bronco History. You made all the correct points. However, where i’m trying to come from is a little different. I’m not saying that Orton is going to be the next Cutler or that we will have the #2 offense in the league. It wont happen. The point that I’ve been trying to make is that this offense will still be productive without Jay. We have 90% of the pieces that we need. No matter what 11 guys take the field and with an excellent offensive line (passing) and a little luck in KM, plus all of the other weapons we have… We are still going to be good. That is my point.

    WhidbeyBronco~

    Don’t get me wrong here. Most people are. There is no question that Cutler is a top 5 quarterback in this league. Hands down. I am not trying to take away anything from his play. When you have an offensive line that can give someone that dangerous all day to throw, regardless of whether or not you know it was a pass, you are going to get burned all day long. The point that I’m making here is that you can’t give all the credit to JC. Furthermore, I don’t feel that the loss of Jay is going to be THAT effective (it’s a huge step backwards but consider the other 10 guys out there on the field).

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    Kerry~

    I’m also not trying to persuade anyone of Brian Dawkins “magically fixing everything”. This defense has lacked consistency and leadership. When you take everything you learn one year and throw it away to start all over again you WILL NOT succeed. Our defense has lacked chemisrty, and a fatherly voice if you will every since al wilson. Brian Dawkins is a guy that will make sure that you are lined up correctly and that you do you’re job. He is also a very good play maker. He is also the guy that will come pick your ass up off the bench and make you pull your head out of your ass and play football. I’m so sick of seeing our defense sit on the bench tired and depressed.

  • Awesome, Austin

    Wow such depression out there. Everyone here should remember that from the start of hiring McD, bowlen is planning to remake this team and not just in one year. He wants different strategy of attacks. Only way to get that is with different personal. Thus McD is here and the Broncos “probably will not be in the playoffs this year” as bowlen eluded to earlier this year. I think that this rebuilding is just getting started and we all will have much more to bitch about very soon.

  • http://cdn0.sbnation.com/profile_images/111140/La_La_Mascot.jpg WhidbeyBronco

    broncoNM
    lol I hear ya!!!!

  • http://cdn0.sbnation.com/profile_images/111140/La_La_Mascot.jpg WhidbeyBronco

    Actually everybody here today (maybe not East lol) pretty much agrees on most points… Freaking slow time for NFL news, huh?

    For the record I see the Billups to Dawkins caparison, same effect on a much smaller scale, right? If Dawkins and Champ get on the same page everybody else on the defense BETTER get on board! I like that we finally have a respectable DC!!!!!!! It’s about fricking time, I’ve been screaming for Shanny to trust somebody for years. Way to go Mcd.

    Also, I could see our offense being quite good with Orton too. Not looking forward to hearing “I told u so” every time Orton does something good either! I promise hear and now not to harp on his every mistake for at least six games… fair? Here’s to hoping he blossoms here!

    Rob Bronco
    I hear ya man, I’m SO ready to LET THEM PLAY and then we kill them…. kidding! I’m ready for McD to start earning his money and making up for his screw-ups! I actually think he might pull it off!

    …cough sorry dropped my koolaid

  • roshon2411

    Don’t get me wrong, I liked the Dawkins pick up at first. But since the draft and Cutler trade, i don’t think it’s as great of a signing as it could of been. This team has switch to complete rebuilding mode and I feel sorry for Dawkins because I don’t think the Broncos are going to make a run anytime soon. You’re right he will bring a leadership and tenasity to this team but he is the same player as Lynch and how’d that workout? Dawkins was a leader for a team that was in the playoffs every year. Will he be the same leader if this team drops 4 in a row? I think Champ Bailey is just as good of a leader as Dawkins and couldn’t do anything for someone like Dre Bly getting burnt every other play.

    Rob Bronco

    Don’t worry, thats best thing about this site is they archive everything. So don’t worry not only will Kerry be held accountable for whats written, but so will I. Kerry has them going 6-10 and I see them going 5-11 with wins against KC, Oakland, and Cleveland at Home and Oakland and Washington or Cincinnati on the road. But I still will fork out $250 to watch every play this season no matter how bleak I think the season outlook may be…

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