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Jay Cutler (Getty Images)

Jay Cutler (Getty Images)

CBS4 in Denver has reported that Jay Cutler is no longer in Denver after meeting face-to-face with his agent and Broncos officials.

Cutler will not be attending Monday’s voluntary team workout. Sources tell CBS4 he has told the Broncos to trade him.

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reports that Cutler stated:

“At the end of the meeting, [Josh McDaniels] wasn’t like, ‘Jay, I want you as our quarterback, you’re our guy.’ It felt like the opposite. He basically said that I needed to tell him if we can’t work this out, to let him know,” Cutler added. “I thought he was antagonizing me and that was disappointing because I was ready to move on, committed as a Bronco. Really, I figured we’d hash things out, shake hands, laugh a little and move forward. What happened [Saturday] was the last thing I expected. If I didn’t think it could be fixed, I never would have come back to Denver. It was painfully obvious to me and Bus [Cook, his agent] it’s not something they want to fix.”

McDaniels offers this translation:

“Again, I think that’s been a pattern. I couldn’t get [Cutler] to talk to me for two weeks or to talk to Mr. Bowlen. Then when he came here this weekend, we couldn’t get a one-on-one meeting, just me and him alone. He wanted Bus in there, so I had Brian sit in, too. And it was the four of us. There wasn’t any yelling, none of that. I can’t believe we get to a totally different [interpretation].

“It’s an unfortunate set of circumstances that has cropped up, a potential distraction and we’ve done our best to limit that. The main message I want to get out is that we’re excited to start our offseason program [Monday]. It’s an exciting time for us.”

It only gets deeper and deeper,

“I certainly went back there, expecting I’d be there [Monday] but not now,” Cutler said. “It’s not mandatory. I’ll attend every mandatory mini-camp and training camp but that’s it. Really, it’s best for me to move on. As coach said, he needs every eye in the meeting room to be on him and not me.”

Cutler said: “You know, even after the meeting, I hung around town, kind of expecting him to call me and say, ‘Hey, let’s just me and you get away and have lunch or a cup of coffee’ and mend things, but that didn’t happen. So, I get it, really, it’s a business. I’m disappointed beause [sic] I love being a Bronco but I think it’s run its course.”

This comes after a weekend when it was exposed that both Culter’s home and his parents were placed on the market for sale. As the situation develops we will be sure to keep you up-to-date.

“Nothing more than a coincidence. I had already shown my house privately to some interested buyers a couple of months ago,” Cutler said. “I’ve really been looking to buy 40 to 70 acres of land there.”

Cutler goes on to state that McDaniel’s told him that he had basically come to Denver to coach Cutler. Then Matt Cassel happened. Cutler stopped calling and wouldn’t return calls to Broncos owner Pat Bowlen.

“Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn’t he come to the meeting on Saturday?”

Cutler’s agent Bus Cook magically appeared in the interview, when most agents may have chose to abstain. He states that as an agent he was “totally in shock” that it has gotten so ugly.

“I would have bet my house going into Saturday’s meeting that everyone would be shaking hands and smiling,” Cook said. “I thought it was going to get worked out. But it was very clear to me that Jay Cutler is not their choice to be quarterback of that team.”

However, Yoko Ono did admit that when he called Broncos General Manager Brian Xanders to request a trade on Saturday night, Xanders said it wasn’t going to happen and that “Jay should show up Monday.”

Denver has two options, they can trade him or sit on him. If Cutler misses off-season workouts, it’s only a little monetary loss to him. He says that he will make every mandatory camp. If he were to take this thing all the way to training camp he would begin being fined and the Broncos could just eventually wind up sitting on his contract to ride it out. Bus Cook has also got Tony Scheffler involved now and he’s not intending to attend the meeting on Monday.

By the way Danh and I got up again late last week for Bronco Nation, check it out here, we talk about this situation specifically and check us out on iTunes or direct download:

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  • pwsbronco

    Well, Josh made it perfectly clear that nobody was secure from being looked at when trade talks begin. Nice way to assure our QB after he was assured that he was our franchise QB by Bowlen.
    So what is one to think, after all this?
    It is clear that loyalty is no longer a Bronco strong point as it was in the past. The day of being in a family if you signed with the Broncos is over.
    So, Jay go out and take care of business, anybody in your shoes would do the same thing. We can’t expect you to believe anything from the Broncos front office anylonger. When you were told by the owner that you were our man for the future and a few short weeks later you were on the offer sheet , even tho it was just to look at all the options.

    By having our new coach state that nobody was secure from being looked at in all options, I would suggest that all of our player better get with their agents weekly and make sure they are getting the best business deal they can get. Screw loyalty and team morality, Josh pretty much set the tone of who is the new sheriff in town is… Well, you did good Josh, yep you did really really gooooooood……

  • Rob Bronco

    WHO CARES?!?!?!? Is Denver going to be held hostage by one player? Are we all going to buckle at the knees because Cutler wants out? Come on, everyone. We are better than this! We are the DENVER BRONCOS. Our team has a history that most other teams wished they had. We have the best fans in football. If Cutler wants out, let him out. Trade Cutler to a crappy ass team with lame fans and awful ownership. Let him see what it’s like to play in Detroit. Remember – as good at Cutler is, he’s a product of the system just like most other Quarterbacks. He isn’t going to throw 4000 yards playing on a team with a lousy offensive line.

    There are a number of talented players out there, and our Superbowl journey isn’t going to be built on the back of one person. Our defense got infinitely better through FA so far, and we’re still growing. We have two strong running backs, a couple of rising stars in our receiving corps, and a young coach who knows how to win. If Cutler doesn’t show up tomorrow, put his ass on the banana boat and ship him out. We want winners on our team, not whiners.

  • Roy

    Trade him to the browns for a 1 and 3 this year and a 1 next….get a free agent “band-aid” QB, select Bradford or McCoy next year. While Cutler is enjoying his time in Cleveland, he can wonder what might have been….all while fighting a staff infection (not that I am wishing that on ANYONE…but hey, it’s Cleveland…)

  • Keith

    As much as I would hate to see Cutler traded, I think you have to go ahead and trade him. Not because he has “demanded” to be traded, but simply because of the fact that this will be a distraction for the entire off season and into the regular season. I think EVERYBODY involved played this entirely the wrong way (Bowlen, Xanders, McDaniels, Cutler, Cook). It will be very disappointing if Jay does get traded because honestly, without him, we are guaranteed to NOT make the playoffs for at least two years. Funny how Shanahan was fired because he was a terrible GM for the defense, and McDaniels comes in to fix it, and now the offense will be completely different. Oh boy….its gonna be a long time till the season starts. I’ll have my bottle of Tylonol right next to me.

  • jcampb72

    Rob, cutler is the best thing to happen to denver since elway hands down. I know your trying to look on the bright side but hes still not going anywhere. Eventhough we have a drunk trust fund baby for a owner I don’t think hes that dumb to trade cutler for a unknown player. check it http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

  • http://BroncoTalk.net Mr.East

    pwsbronco,

    You have to look at the big picture. McDaniels comes form a school of no nonsense no bullshit shut up and do your job. Cutler is obviously after the big contract and nothing will deter his mind from that. If Shanahan was still coach Cutler would be sitting pretty knowing he would eventually be the highest paid player in the NFL, now he knows that McDaniels is capable is capable of crapping out QBs left and right so he wants out while the market is still hot. This is one of the weakest QB free agency period and draft class ever.

    This isn’t McDaniels’ fault, it’s Cutler’s. Josh McDaniels is building a team, and Jay Cutler is throwing a tantrum and tearing apart the organization. It doesn’t matter who you are, no one has the right to shut down the organization. Cutler ignored Pat Bowlen’s calls, the dude who signs his checks. That my friend is arrogance. Cutler is a punk and who was given several opportunities to make nice with McDaniels.

  • http://BroncoTalk.net Mr.East

    jcampb,

    Nothing is the best thing to happend to Denver since Elway. Hell the best player to happen is Champ Bailey if you want to point fingers. Going 24-24 since Cutler was drafted isn’t something to brag about. Some players can’t win and seems to be on of those. Don’t bullshit about the defense it’s such an easy out. Cutler blew easy games like the Oakland and Miami games. You can talk all day about how he’s a godsend but he’s not even top 5 in the NFL. Peyton got it done with a much worse defense.

  • Roy

    I will take a Simms who will do anything for his team over a “me first” Cutler anyday. There is nothing that pisses me off more than someone who thinks he is above the team. You win as a team, you lose as a team. In order to ensure unity, as a team captain, you take the high road. Somtimes that means venting your frustration with the boss in pritave, then moving on. You let your play do the talking, not your goddamn agent. F*** I am sick and tired of this!!!

  • pwsbronco

    I agree, let him go right now if you don’t want him, but we are not doing that. What else does Jay have to say to go? I agree with you, let him go.
    After all it is a business and it is a business for owners and players, not just owners. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

    I don’t see us being held hostage by anyone, I see us in a spot that our coach got us in, agree with it or not it does not matter. Don’t care if all are acting like a bunch of ego babies, just fix it. Let Jay go right now so he can do what is best for him while we do what is best for us.
    And if you think we are going to let our QB go and possibly other major parts of our offense and not be hurt by that, hope that works for ya.

    Our defense is better on paper now than last year, but at this time it has not touched the field so until then don’t know what the outcome is going to be there. But I do agree with you it is much much better than last year but I could replace last year from the old folks home and that also would be an upgrade.

    Our d will be better this year , but the jury is out on where our offense is going to be but right now it is much much worse without Jay and Shef…. And our super bowl run is going to be built on the back of one person, and that is our QB, don’t know who that is going to be now but we took some very giant steps backward if we are going to let Chris or even Brady take the reins…… Hope I am wrong but I doubt it. and yes we do have the greatest fans but they have not taken us to the playoffs in the past 10 years either…..
    We should be happy as hell with the FA start we had but now it looks like we just bettered the d at the cost of the offense….nice trade off Josh…..nice

  • Rob Bronco

    Memo to Pat Bowlen: Take a look at Jeff Garcia. Look at his stats compared to Cutler’s during the same time period:

    2006
    Garcia – played in 8 games – 10 touchdowns – 2 ints – 95.8 passer rtg
    Cutler – played in 5 games – 9 touchdowns – 5 ints – 88.5 passer rtg

    2007
    Garcia – played in 13 games – 13 touchdowns – 4 ints – 94.6 passer rtg
    Cutler – played in 16 games – 20 touchdowns – 14 ints – 88.1 passer rtg

    2008
    Garcia – played in 12 games – 12 touchdowns – 6 ints – 90.2 passer rtg
    Cutler – played in 16 games – 25 touchdowns – 18 ints – 80.0 passer rtg

    Just a thought. Te guy doesn’t throw picks. Sign him to a 2 year deal and draft a QB in the 1st round to groom.

  • http://BroncoTalk.net Mr.East

    P.S. – Thats really disrespectful to call the Owner of your beloved organization a “drunk trust fund baby.” You should be ashamed of yourself.

  • George

    1) This is terrible for Denver, regardless of what they get in return for a trade.

    2) If Denver goes 10-6 next year and gets into the playoffs with the 14th ranked offense and 14th ranked defense, I don’t want to hear that “They did better without Cutler’s whining”… it simply means that their defense improved with Dawkins/Davis/Hill/Goodman/?Raji/?healthy Champ Bailey/?healthy Boss Bailey/?healthy DJ Williams/?an improved Dumervil at LB instead of DE where he got slaughtered against the run.

    In other words, if they make the playoffs this year, it will be because their defense might improve at 9 positions, not because they are better off without Cutler. With Cutler and Jeremy Bates carrying on their 3rd ranked offense from last season, if they also had such a hypothetically improved defense they could reach the Super Bowl next year.

    2) I DON’T BLAME McDaniels. I believe him when he says that the trade talks about Cassel were initiated by other teams. McDaniels is an offensive guy, it would be absurd to expect him to retain Jeremy Bates.

    3) However, I BLAME BOWLEN for hiring an offensive head coach. The 2008 Broncos had one of the most drastic differences between offense and defense on the same team ever. I was shocked when Shanahan was fired, but then I thought that Bowlen had Spagnulo and Pioli lined up. When instead they got McDaniels and Xanders, I assumed that Spagnulo and Pioli didn’t want to leave their old teams. But it turned out that they joined the Rams and Chiefs, respectively, both teams much worse than Denver. Bowlen could have gotten them if he wanted. And if not Spagnulo, at least Jim Schwartz. And keep Jeremy Bates running the offense. With the same offense as last year and a defense lead by Spagnulo or Schwartz, they would be in great shape.

    4) When Shanahan was fired, did anyone expect that someone as mediocre as Mike Nolan would end up as defensive coordinator? I assumed that the timing of Shanahan’s firing was to induce a top defensive coach to join a team with a proven offense (kind of like when Tony Dungy joined the Colts). Indeed, my initial shock at Shanahan’s firing was eventually replaced by optimistic musings about which excellent defensive coach would be coming to Denver. But Mike Nolan? MIKE NOLAN? MIKE NOLAN???!!!

  • jbowman

    i found it pretty ironic that when i got the text for this i was at the end of watching revenge of the sith with some people. obi wan yelling “YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!”

    yeah, thats about how i feel right now…

  • Eric in Vegas

    It seems to me that all of the “anyone can be traded talk” isn’t a snide at Cutler, it’s a snide at Cutler’s best friend, Tony Scheffler. First, They fire his Coach, Mike Shanahan, then they fire his mentor, Jeremy Bates, then they trade his confidant, Tony Scheffler. Of course Cutler feels betrayed. And he has been. Given how long this has dragged on, I expect a trade on draft day, given:
    1) Cutler and 1st Rd pick to Cleveland for Brady Quinn and 1st Rd pick (pick swap). But ONLY if BJ Raji is still on the board by the Browns selection. You heard it hear first.

  • Boisebroncoguy

    I just got through reading the ESPN article that had interviews with both Cutler and McDaniels. It sounds like they were at different meetings. Each one has a totally different version of what happened. How could that be? I don’t know what to think anymore. I am just fed up with all of them. What the heck is going on?!!!

  • Rob Bronco

    Eric, that would be a fantastic trade if McDaniels could pull it off. I would take Brady Quinn. I don’t know if he’s a “franchise” QB, but he can get the job done. I still say look at Jeff Garcia.

  • jcampb72

    Its true, you wouldn’t know bc you don’t live here remember. Champs a good player but he doesn’t win games for you. The qb is the most important position hands down, then LT. CB probably one of the positions that are least important on anyteam. Yeah manning did get it done but his D caught fire in the playoffs. I dnt know why you hate on Cutler so much, wouldn’t you be pissed if your team wanted to trade you for a worse QB? Think tom brady or peyton would be happy if there teams tried to trade them? no. I dn’t see who you could trade cutler for? draft picks, a vet and picks, maybe. I still don’t see him going anywhere.

  • jcampb72

    p.s.-You have got to be an idiot to break up the second best O in the league.

  • Awesome, Austin

    Rob, I like the stats of Garcia, it proves that he could be a great stop-gap. Then get a real qb that does not make a no-issue-type-thing into a way to get big bucks and destroy his team in the process.

    Jcamp I do not see any of those other guys whining like a little baby if they were ever in trade talks…and they could have been and known about it, it just never got out into the media.

  • Awesome, Austin

    p.s. not second best in pts and that is all that matters…

  • BroncoFan18

    Though I hated the decision to fire Shanny in the first place, McDaniels actually grew on me a little bit. I liked the things he said and was happy with how active he was in free agency.

    But his handling of Cutler is possibly the worst I’ve ever seen a coach handle the same type of situation. This could have ended the Saturday that the news the Broncos were trying to trade Cutler broke. But McD blew it.

    I really have lost all confidence in his decision making as well as that of Pat Bowlen. Sure, Cutler hasn’t been perfect either, but do they realize just exactly how important Cutler is? Who could possibly replace him? Cutler is at the top of the list of untradable players.

    And now here we are with Cutler ASKING for a trade! Unless McD pulls a miracle out of nowhere, this team is headed on a swift plummet downhill.

    Lose your star quarterback to something like this? Worst coaching/managing I’ve ever seen. Wonder what Bowlen thinks about his choice to let Shanny go now?

    I’m disgusted.

  • http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/12/795248/breaking-more-cutler-mcdan WhidbeyBronco

    East
    P.S. – Thats really disrespectful to call the Owner of your beloved organization a â��drunk trust fund baby.â�� You should be ashamed of yourself.
    But you can say “Cutler is a punk and who was given several opportunities to make nice with McDaniels.” McDaniels had as many opportunities to make nice with Jay!

    You completely seem completely like the type to call somebody a punk in type but cower like the little bitch you sound like in person! Where I come from a man talks long shit like that face to face, not so cowardly as you. Why make it so personal?
    Is the owner deserving more respect than any other man?

    All the sad facts seem to be here
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

    Why the hell did they fire Shanny, only to allow this Circus? I am outraged as a loyal fan. SO PLAYED WRONG MCLAME!! Cassel ? Maybe. Sanchez? Quinn? Give me a break!

    Fire your new coach Bowlen this has gone too far!

  • jcampb72

    All i’

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805 WhidbeyBronco

    Gawd I’m doing the same thing that hack East is, out of anger. (I’d sure like to hear him talk like that over a beer in a dark bar though)

    The fact is everyone involved seems wrong now! Scheffler? You must be kidding? Now if Champ walks off… that’d make a statement. I bet Dawkins is really shaking his head about now!

    aw hell, I wish I’d have simply written BroncoFan18′s post and been done with it!

    I’ll always be a loyal fan but I’ll lose a considerable amount of warmth for this present team if something doesn’t change frickin quick!

  • jcampb72

    all im saying is elite qbs dont just fall off trees. I could see at least 25 teams that would trade their qb for cutty no questions asked.

  • broncoNM

    The problem now is what kind of value we will get for a QB that has requested a trade? The broncos cant give him away! The broncos need to start a bidding war because there are plenty of suitors. If a GREAT offer doesnt come in than we have a disgruntled QB. period. Its bad enough we lose Jay but we have to make a team PAY for his services. There are teams that want/need him. The team will have to rebuild now and we need to stop the bleeding and get great value for him.

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805 WhidbeyBronco

    I’m still waiting for McDaniels to say he wants Jay as his quarterback! I bet he told every free agent he brought in that he liked what they had to offer and wanted them on his team, right? Why can’t he tell Cutler this? He really sounds full of pure BS. Why not say it now?

    “By entertaining our options we were simply looking out for Denver’s best interests. Jay Cutler will not be traded because we believe he has the potential to lead this team to the Superbowl. ”

    He hasn’t said anything of the kind has he? I’m not saying he should kiss ass. But for instance, read the positive things he’s said about some of the free agents he hired. Why can’t HE “make nice” as East seems to think only Cutler can do?

  • DepressedSF

    Guys, we may have dodge a bullet if we send Cutler packing. He’s a friggin head case. Can you imagine an NFL quarterback needing constant reassurance that he is the guy? Well, just look at Jay Cutler. Get rid of him now. You can’t have a franchise QB who is this insecure.

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805 WhidbeyBronco

    Depressed? Constant reassurance? What reassurance has he received at all!!?? None that I’ve heard! Less than that of the least free agent we’ve hired this off season!

  • http://www.google.com T-Money

    We just got rid of the best thing that happened to us since Elway, hands down.

  • DANIEL

    WHAT A SPINELESS WIMP OF A OWNER WE HAVE HERE. I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU LET THIS CIRCUS HAPPEN IN OUR CITY. YOU BRING IN THIS WANNA BE COACH THAT IS ABOUT TO LOSE OUR QB. GROW A PAIR AND EITHER LAY DOWN THE LAW OR GET RID OF THIS WANNA BE HEADCOACH. REMEMBER ONE THING BOWLEN, YOU LOSE CUTLER YOU LOSE REVENUE.

  • jcampb72

    T-Money, I heard that!

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805 WhidbeyBronco

    There still is hope! He said he’ll be there for the required events, training camp and all that. McDummy will have to answer to his boss if he can’t get value for JC… He may still be here come pre-season.

  • DANIEL

    I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU PEOPLE. YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE ONE OF THESE HAVENT PROVEN THEMSELVES BACK UP QUARTERBACKS THEN TRY TO HOLD ON TO OUR PROBOWL QUARTERBACK. BOWLEN SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN STEVE SPAGNUOLO.

  • broncoNM

    This is pretty unbelievable if the broncos do end of trading him. He is a Pro Bowl QB IN HIS PRIME. The guy is 25 with boat loads of talent and is coming off a record breaking year. Broncos will get tons of offers and will eventually find one that they will accept. I just cant believe this got this bad, this quick. If someone told me i wouldnt be wearing a Cutler jersey in ’09 I would have laughed my ass off. But here we are months later. Unbelievable.

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805 WhidbeyBronco

    fire McDaniels!!

  • http://broncotalk.net (dee)

    Whidbey Bronco

    I understand you are upset, however keep in mind Mcd and Bowlen are going to do what is best for our football team and not Cutler’s pocket.

    Daniel – Spagnuolo let released Torry Holt and Orlando Pace .. two of the guys that took that team to its greatest heights…. I wonder what St Louis fans think of him getting absolutely nothing for them.

    I understand everyone is upset and people think Cutler was great, he was GOOD … but I remember alot of times he was bad … I think Cutler wants to get paid and this whole trade scenario is a fast way to get out of Denver. I am willingly to bet any place he gets traded to, his agent will have them re-do is contract .. so he can buy his 70 acres.

  • http://broncotalk.net Ian Henson

    My two pennies, for what they’re worth? Well, I’m developing it, but Cutler will be a Bronco next season. If they trade him, we still won’t have any money to sign anyone. McDaniels stated it himself, ‘We won’t trade [Cutler] for draft picks.’ So unless Minnesota’s offering up Adrian Peterson, there isn’t a player in the world that I want for Cutler.

    I think that McDaniel’s agrees, he’s smarter than all of us, that’s what we forget somewhere along the lines. If he wasn’t, well then, we’d be coaching the Broncos.

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805 WhidbeyBronco

    Cowher?
    You know, I believe McD’s a smart guy and is doing what he feels will win for us. I simply believe he’s wrong.
    Jay’s said nothing about money. The only reason you (Dee & Others) claim it to be about money, is that it’s one of the few things that makes sense! …Or McDaniels is too full of his own pride to back down just the smallest of steps and let our team leader BE A TEAM LEADER. Coaches lead from the sidelines last I checked.

  • utah_bronco

    Guys, I don’t know what to even think. When I think it possibly can’t get any worse, it proves me wrong again. Why can’t two grown men just admit they are both in the wrong? The way I see it is that both sides have done things wrong and both need to apologize and move forward. McDaniels for trying to trade Cutler under the table and Cutler for being a BABY!! The first few days of free agency was so promising until this bomb was dropped. I really don’t see Quinn being able to run the show and have my doubts about Simms. I hope Cutler and McDaniels can sit down w/out Crook and Xanders and fix this problem before we become the Raiders. I already feel like we’re heading that way and would rather miss the playoffs by one game than be in the cellar like the Raiders.

  • http://myspace.com/paraleipsis jchase8410

    When Shanahan was fired (2 years too late), Bowlen said “Jay is the man around here now.” McDaniels said, “Im looking forward to meeting [Jay] and working with him.” Two weeks later, he attempts to trade “the man” for a career backup. That is what set Jay off, not the thought of being traded. His new coach lied hiss ass off, and then refused to own up to it. It is, and always has been, an issue of trust.

    Mr. East
    Wasn’t Jay number on on your list of must keep players? Now you’re bashing him not being able to work for a fork-tongued coach. I guess you can call it whining, or being a crybaby, I call it taking a stand for decency.

    As for everyone who is telling Jay he needs to shut up and realize that this is a business…He KNOWS it is a business, and is playing a business angle for himself. He is a commodity, and if he can get more money for himself, great for him. Why is there a double standard here? Why is it okay for the Broncos organization to deceive and mislead him, using the excuse of, “what is best for the Broncos,” but Jay hustling up a bigger paycheck is selfish?

    Now the Jay has proven nothing because he hasn’t been on a winning team ctowd…please!

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805 WhidbeyBronco

    Sting with a toothache?
    Holmgren?
    Hell, Schottenheimer would be great.
    Dungy ?
    J Johnson?
    Fire the kid if we can’t get honest value for Cutler

  • http://broncotalk.net (dee)

    WB

    “I want to buy 40 to 70 acres”

    Cutler that was a stupid thing to say …. and we know you can’t afford 70 acres on your salary THIS year, Bus is going to spank you for your loose lips.

    Come on man, if he is gone lets get over this crap and move forward. Cutler again was not all we had on this team, I hate this thinking that without him we’re ruined …. so I guess Clady is garbage, Royal is crap, guys like Hillis and Woodyard should be cut … 1 PLAYER DOES NOT MAKE A TEAM …

    We went to the AFC Championship with Jake Plummer.. and we’re going to be ruined without Cutler? I’m sorry I dont share the same feelings.

  • http://broncotalk.net (dee)

    Another point … who was Plummer’s main receivers that season? Rod Smith and Ashley Lelie .. the line consisting of FOSTER as the lt? Running back of tatum bell?

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805 WhidbeyBronco

    ruined? no.
    Would I rather keep the young talent you mentioned (that I love) AND JAY CUTLER over that same SUPPORTING ROLE talent & Simms (no offense Simms)
    STUPID QUESTION
    I’ll move on after it’s over, not before.

    My choice? Keep coach and Cutler. Maybe they can act like men and win some games for us.

    If I were to choose Coach or Cutler?
    Cutler.
    Anyone else want to chime in here?

    Coach or Cutler?

  • http://myspace.com/paraleipsis jchase8410

    When Shanahan was fired (2 years too late), Bowlen said “Jay is the man around here now.” McDaniels said, “Im looking forward to meeting [Jay] and working with him.” Two weeks later, he attempts to trade “the man” for a career backup. That is what set Jay off, not the thought of being traded. His new coach lied hiss ass off, and then refused to own up to it. It is, and always has been, an issue of trust.

    Mr. East
    Wasn’t Jay number on on your list of must keep players? Now you’re bashing him not being able to work for a fork-tongued coach. I guess you can call it whining, or being a crybaby, I call it taking a stand for decency.

    As for everyone who is telling Jay he needs to shut up and realize that this is a business…He KNOWS it is a business, and is playing a business angle for himself. He is a commodity, and if he can get more money for himself, great for him. Why is there a double standard here? Why is it okay for the Broncos organization to deceive and mislead him, using the excuse of, “what is best for the Broncos,” but Jay hustling up a bigger paycheck is selfish?

    Now the Jay has proven nothing because he hasn’t been on a winning team crowd…please! 4500 yards and 25 td’s is doing his fair share an then some. Bring up the 18 int’s, please. Over 600 pass attempts on the season…what’s the percentage there? I’m sure, no running threat except those games hillis was active (all wins) had nothing to do with the redzone picks. When you have a short field to defend, pass coverage becomes easier, as you have less ground to cover. If you are not threatened by the run game, your backers can drop straight into coverage, and your d-line can rush the passer freely. That is near impossible for any QB to throw against on a consistant basis. If you don’t understand the situational dynamic of the game, your argument is invalid.

    How is that for backing it up, East?

  • http://broncotalk.net (dee)

    The Coach is greater than Cutler … WB Cutler is not going to stay here, once he has asked for the trade … its over there will be no kissing and making up.

    Wb trust me , being mad about it wont change it. Cutler’s making his trade demands public now, only convinces me that he had asked for a trade when Bates was let go. Cutler wants everything to go thru him and that wont happen with McD. This thing has gone on too long and gone too far…. this has to end with Cutler leaving the team. He was a good player for us, but the Denver Broncos will win with another quarterback … Simms taking us to the playoffs could be a great story… I’m routing for the kid. ORRR we get Quinn and he has also impressed me.

  • http://myspace.com/paraleipsis jchase8410

    Dee

    He is selling his house for 2 MILLION DOLLARS…you don’t think he could afford the land with that? Seriously, that’s one of your arguments? HAHAHA!!!

  • http://myspace.com/paraleipsis jchase8410

    Again Dee

    He also publicly denied asking for a trade when Bates left in the same interview, so believe what you will…am overly honest QB, or an admitted liar of a coach. Secondly, good head coaches are a dime a dozen, young QB’s that make the pro bowl in their second full season starting (one of which he played through undisgnosed diabetes, mind you) who is still maturing and getting a grasp on his game…those are a commodity, and hard to come by

  • jcampb72

    Dee your officially off your rocker.

  • Richard

    Selling his house for 2 mill doesn’t means he’ll get 2 mill for it. It was Cutlers job to impress McD not the other way around. How well did that go? Time to move on. A mature, team oriented individual will win us more games than a me first little boy. I guess DE is no longer our greatest need.

    PS I agree with you completely Mr. East. You have my vote.

  • http://broncotalk.net (dee)

    jchase8410

    Oh … you assume that his house will be sold…now im going to add in your generic “hahahahahaha”

    Am I off my rocker ?…. I think this whole issue is stupid, the amount of time spent on it. I’m glad that Cutler has asked for the trade and hopefully we can get it done soon, so all of you Cutler fans can join him. Meanwhile me and the denver broncos will be better off. And no Im not going to get into how we’re going to be better off … because then we go on and on about how you all think Cutler is amazing and I dont.

    Broncotalk staff please let me know when Cutler is traded, I’m not wasting anymore of my time speculating on this shit.

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805 WhidbeyBronco

    2 mil? pennies next to the cash we paid him the last two years! Don’t be silly. BTW How many players request trades, don’t get them and then play? I can think of several off hand.
    One of them was NBA MVP last year!
    Cutler over Coach
    Coach is replacable

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805 WhidbeyBronco

    er… replaceable

  • jcampb72

    Richard, DE was never our first need, a NT is.

  • broncoNM

    Players demand trades all the time and end up not being traded… i dont think that will guarantee Cutlers departure. Unfortunately i dont think McD intends on keeping him. I agree that he will get value for him. Some team will offer the broncos a deal they cant refuse. Imagine the front offices of the vikes, bucs, browns, jets, lions etc hearing that Cutler is on the trading block. These guys must be freaking out. A franchise QB= jersey sells+better offense/more points=more ticket sales. I think Cutler will be dealt. McD has to be confident that he does not need cutler to have a successful offense. Thats why he isnt kissing his rear. I think he is crazy but thats what it seems like. I could definitely see a trade before the draft. I think the browns are nuts if they dont offer up quinn and some picks or quinn and rogers. Quinn and anderson are unproven and inconsistant. Cutler is proven with a better skill set.

  • http://myspace.com/paraleipsis jchase8410

    Dee, you assume that the PLANNING portion of his, “I was PLANNING on buying 40-70 acres” had nothing to do with whether or not his house was sold. Think things through before you post them, jeez. Like arguing with my 7 year old.

  • http://broncotalk.net (dee)

    jchase8410

    This is my last comment for you, and how my argument you believe is flawed. So lets assume Cutler gets his 2 million for his home, you believe he’ll be able to buy his 70 acres. Did you realize the home he is selling is only 1 1/2 acres ? And he wants 2 million for it , he also wants to buy 70 acres… ??? Do you see how this will become a problem?

    Heres the link http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11906852

    So there you go, I’ll assume you dont have any mental disabilities and that you are just stupid.

  • jcampb72

    If he gets traded it better be reallllllllll sexy!

  • Nicole

    Well gang I take back what I said about him being around. If you read the stories from both of them- Jay’s story actually sounded more truthful. Josh actually gave a generic story. He was also reluctant about saying anything-probably wasn’t prepared for the questions. The trade will happen and as for all of you who have said that you’re glad he’ll be gone, it will literally take you a decade to find another one that can last. Cutler actually is playing the way Troy Aikman did at this point. They both made bad mental mistakes and he’ll come out of. Unfortunately for you it won’t be here because all bets are on and yes the vikings are coming too. I don’t understand their concept… run off the qb! Now Josh wants to save Jay from running- he has a different alternative. I can hardly wait.

  • broncoNM

    This could open the door for a shanahan- cutler reunion. Believe it or not i could actually see Dallas getting in the mix and trying to land Cutler as bate to try and convince Shanahan to come coach a bit ealier than expected. I know its a long shot but there is concern in Dallas that Romo cant win the “Big Game” and that Phillips has lost the team. Not sayin its going to happen…Im just sayin.

  • Tom9798

    I posted this blog a week ago . . . and my worst fear was correct . . .

    “There is the possibility that Jay Cutler decided in his heart that he no longer wanted to be part of the Bronco organization when Shannahan was fired . . . period.

    He was extremely unhappy with Pat Bowlen and felt betrayed that this man could have fired his coach . . .

    He did not know McD or Xanders at the time . . . and it didn’t matter . . . after they came on the scene . . . his decision clarified

    He has not answered Pat Bowlen’s phone calls for one reason . . . he does not like Pat Bowlen and no longer wants to work for the man.”

  • juice

    Mr. East and Dee are being the most logical about this. Best thing since Elway? Pretty sure that Plummer won a playoff game and Griese got us there since Elway… but sure I’ve drinken the Kool-Aid before too!

    What Mr. East said actually made the most sense out of anyone pontificating on the subject: McDaniels probably can crap out functional system QBs like Bobby Turner can crap out functional system running backs – which really throws a wrench in Cutler’s plans of being the highest paid in the league…

    Cutler’s feelings got hurt with Shanahan’s firing costing him his looming $125 million dollar contract.

    And lastly… In case you haven’t been able to figure it out: Bus Cook, or someone close to him is Klis’ “source” – so that is why the Denver media is painting this in Jay’s tint. The Broncos for years have been too classy to air these kind of disputes out in public (Tyronne Braxton, Shannon Sharpe come to mind) … and its not like they’d start the mudslinging now – ESPECIALLY against a franchise quarterback with a new coach – This is Bus Cook being Bus Cook.

  • juice

    Perhaps this is all Bus Cook’s grand scheme:

    Get Cutler out of Denver so that Denver lures Brett Farve out of retirement, thus making B. Cook more money…

    I kid, I kid.

  • BroncosTrevizo

    I want to know, Who Brono will get a new QB? Matthew Stafford or Brady Quinn or WHO?!

  • jcampb72

    Pretty sure we had a sick defense those years Juice

  • juice

    jcampb72 – you’re right – we had a better defense – and Defense wins championships! Not Quarterbacks.

    Let’s do the math: How many superbowls did these “statistically” sound quarterbacks win: Marino, Boomer, Farve, Elway, Kelly, Moon:

    3.

    3 championships over the 15+ years of their careers.

  • juice

    I guess I’m coming the conclusion that system quarterbacks are better than advertised since everybody wants a cannon arm…

    Aikman (system, average athelete)
    Montana (system, weak arm)
    Young (backup in TAMPA, until the West Coast offense)
    Brady (I think he’s underrated as an athlete – but as far as a system goes, if he was in a West Coast offense, he’d suck!)

    Now look at those Superbowl victories compared to my last list… (Heck, if you took Elway off my last list they’d only have ONE championship)

    And before I get boo’d off the board: Like many of you, Elway IS my favorite athlete of all time.

  • jcampb72

    Yup, in the last 10 years there has only been 1 team that had poor defense and won a superbowl, tha colts. Even then they had playmakers on their D. I’d take a sick D over a sick O any day.

  • NathanH

    The only 2 options for us besides Simms RIGHT NOW that I can see:

    Option 1- The 5th pick and Brady Quinn for Jay Cutler and a 5th or 6th.

    I like this option because Quinn to me has a lot more talent then Matt Cassell, whom McDaniels made work in his offense. Also, with the 5th, we could assure ourselves Raji, and at 12 take Jackson/Brown/Cushing/Jenkins. This would be the ideal situation if he’s gonna be traded.

    Option 2- The 1st and 20th picks for Cutler.
    The Lions get a franchise guy and could really improve with Cutler throwing to CJ. We get a chance to draft who ever we want, and would have 3 1st round picks, which could change the face of our team. Remember that Cutler was a pick near what we have this year, it’s not crazy to think we could get better talent with the #1, 12, and 20. Take Stafford or Sanchez with the first after many interviews(i’m not high on either). And with the 12 and 20 go D.

  • jcampb72

    I’d be fine with system QB if we had a good D.

  • NathanH

    jcampb- agreed. What about this scenario-

    I know its highly unlikely, but what if we did the Detroit trade and didn’t take a QB in the 1st? And instead picked up a smart lower round guy? It’s unlikely for Curry going 1 overall more then anything, but our D would be set with say…Curry/Jackson/Matthews. I don’t know, just toying around with situations since I really think he’ll be gone now.

    Also, what do you guys really think about Stafford? I don’t like him but that seems to definatly be an option.

  • jcampb72

    To be honest I don’t know much about stafford. But the lower round guy could be the kid out of K state, josh freeman.

  • jcampb72

    I don’t like the idea of getting the number 1 overall pick with all that money on an unproven player when we have like 1.5 mill against the cap this year with Cutler. Its just not economically viable not to mention a huge gamble. Quinn and their 1st would be smarter I think.

  • Glenn S.

    I think we all need to look back at Ocho Cinco. Around this time last year Chad Johnson was shooting his mouth off just like Jay…but he still had years left on his contract and the Bengals weren’t gonna budge. I think the Bronco brass needs to teach Jay a valuable lesson here…look at Ocho Cinco now—team oriented, well behaved.

    I say you keep Jay and start Simms if it becomes apparent that Jay is going to be a biatch and not work hard and compete. Who knows maybe Chris will play really well and motivate Jay to get out there and show what he can do. I think Jay is competitive enough that as long as we keep him on the roster, when the season rolls around he’ll want to get in the mix.

    Keep him on the roster, fine him if he acts like a turd and make him live out his contract to teach him and Bus Cook a lesson. We must make sure that that old ambulance chaser Crook isn’t gonna get a huge payday out of making a mockery of a great organization.

  • http://www.google.com T-Money

    At least this crap is over. I hate to say it, since i think jay is an unbelievable football player, but i’m sick of worrieing all the time about it.

    MCD reads aloud to himself…

    Spring Cleaning Checklist:

    Head Coach: Check
    Front Office: Check
    Defense: Work in progress
    Offense: Didn’t need much but Check
    Jay Culter: Remailns to be seen but 99% check
    Piss off 78% of the Fan Base: Check
    Chance a winning a superbowl: Woops, I think this one goes out the window with the Cassel in KC.
    An ageless smack down by a pissed of offense: Priceless

    God, Matt Cassel never sounded so good right now.

  • http://fftoolbox bryan scott

    First of all cutler was the quarterback before josh got there, If he felt that he could not win with cutler he should not have took the job. Cutler did not want shanahan to leave but still supported mcdaniels publicly and they go behind his back, Then lie to him in his face and some of the people on this post blame it on cutler, Thats dumb.

  • BroncoinVA9986

    yuck yuck……I still say wait for eight o clock

  • http://birty.blogspot.com mikebirty

    Tell you what interests me about this – and that’s the media cycle. As soon as the story broke I was on Team Jay and I think, judging by the comments it was about 80-20 for Jay.

    Then Bus started spinning his machine and I went to Team Just Stop It Both of You. And from what Doom and Dawkins have said, the team seem to be in this camp.

    Now Jay’s had his face to face, he’s had plenty of opportunity to get over it, he’s been given ample chance to put it to bed, he’s ignored Mr Bowlen, he seems to insist on having Bus Cook shadow him. Now we don’t know what went on in those meetings but from the way that both sides are playing the media and the quotes that are coming out, I don’t mind admitting I’m now firmly in Team McDaniels. (Kudos to the Broncos Media Staff, they’re the only ones coming through with flying colours!)

    At the moment, the only thing Jay has going for him is the support from the fans. And I think he’s very close to losing that. I reckon its about 60-40 now. What happens when Jay loses 11% more?

  • BroncoinVA9986

    Bus Crook is responsible also.

  • BH

    I haven’t been worried until now. Now, I am worried. I think letting Cutler go under any circumstances would be a BIG mistake. We spent 10 years trying to find a QB, finally get him, and then this mess happens. Are we going to become the Chefs, Faders, Browns or Lions? I agreen with Ian Henson though, that I still think that he will be our QB next year. So, hopefully, I am worried for no reason. This whole mess seems so pointless.

  • http://fftoolbox bryan scott

    But the thing is mike birty the fans are the ones who buy the tickets and these are the facts, There was no problem at quarterback until josh got in denver,jay cutler is a top 10 QB in this league and he did not deserve this from the broncos.

  • http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805 WhidbeyBronco

    Fire Team McDaniels!

  • http://BroncoTalk.net Mr.East

    Cutler is not the messiah plain and simple. Vince Young took his team to the playoffs without an offense and a mediocre defense. If he wasn’t such a “sensie” then he would actually be great.

    The fact is the head of the team is the “head coach” it’s in the title. Cutler didn’t like that McDaniels wasn’t anointing him the best thing in the world. It’s not that it hurt his feelings but more so his wallet.

    I understand that everyone has the notion that this is a quarterback driven league. Whether or not you agree with that statement the bottom line is the same. Cutler is not in Denver. That to me is a lack of leadership. It doesn’t matter how much he despises McDaniels or says that he “loves it here.” The bottom line is the same. If Cutler really wanted to be here, he would. We can rational all day why it’s okay for him to be elsewhere but there is no reason. I don’t care if McDaniels is the anti-christ, Cutler had a commitment to his team.

    Jay Cutler does not care about Denver. Cutler was drafted here, he feels no emotional ties. Cutler would much rather be a Titan or a Bear than a Bronco anyday. Jay wants the pay day as well, and he figures he can get that outside of Denver. If Jay wanted to be a Bronco he would be here.

    jcampb – For the last time! The offense was not 2nd in the league! When do yards count for anything? Scoring is what counts, and when it comes to that they were a mediocre 16th. McDaniels offense at NE was much better than Denver’s last season. Cassel was sacked the most in the NFL as well.

  • Roy

    Cutler wanted McD to call and say “let’s just me and you get away and have lunch or a cup of coffee’ and mend things?” are you flippin serious? He did that. Jay chose to stay in Tenn. Then, he did it again, and Jay chose to bring his agent, Yoko Cook, to the damn meeting. If you read the article Jay also said that if Bowlen wanted to talk to him he should have been at the meeting. Bullshit. If my boss calls me I am picking up the phone. This arrogent little punk is taking his position for granted. He is still a good QB, hell he could be great if he learned how to check down the damn ball.

    Fire McDaniels? Really? Dude has not even coached one game. Bowlen probably hired McD because he was the only canidate who was willing to take a hard line with the players who were complete asshats, and lead the ones who are not. It sucks that Jay falls into the former category.

  • http://fftoolbox bryan scott

    Mr east jay cutler is a proven QB in this league and josh mcdaniels has not proven anything besides taking the 1 strong position in denver which is the QB and trashing it, If this isn’t the 2nd coming of lane kiffin i don’t know what is.

  • http://BroncoTalk.net Mr.East

    Roy, that was poetic. Good job of highlighting all the flaws in Jay’s statements. It’s clearly about the money, and he doesn’t care about Denver now that the big contract isn’t an option. I hope they put him in a Lions or Browns jersey. Send us Brady Quinn, he has the most upside and intelligence out of all the young QBs out there.

  • Richard

    NathanH Keep on thinking the way you are, one of those scenerios will probably happen.

    Someone mentioned it took 10 years to find Cutler, ie a QB for Shanny’s system. Shanahan is the past. It took NE 2 games to replace Brady. Neither Brady nor Cassell were high draft choices, so when we draft one or two don’t expect a first round guy.

    Regardless of what some think, McD stays and has most likely improved his position with ownership. You can’t run a team by blowing the employees noses when they get out of joint.

    Now that the Divorce is inevitable, its time to sort out the custody arrangements and alimony. There are at least 10 teams that need a QB. Some like the Bears wouldn’t be interested because the McKaskys are too cheap, others don’t have the firepower to make it happen, and one or two will be looking to acquire “the property” at fire sale prices.

    THe Lions and Browns have been suggested by many posters, but there are others besides Tampa. Jacksonville for instance, the Viqueens, possibly Seattle, the Jets really put themselves in a bind with Brent Farve and need help badly. Of course having to deal with Buzz Crook again would not make their day. So other than the obvious 3, any thoughts?

  • Hansen

    This has become management v. labor. Obvious Bus Cook is the cancer here as he has infected Cutler and has dragged Sheffler into the drama. Lets go management!!!!!

  • juice

    Richard, good post: You forget that Brady and Cassell were late rounders.

    Cutler = perfect QB for Shanahan’s system
    No Shanahan = no longer the “perfect” scenario
    Which equals – No max contract

    Which equals a hurt wallet for Bus Cook and Cutler has to sell his homes because he’s been spending his “Shanahan Money” already.

  • BH

    Based on these numbers, I would say that the future is pretty bright for whatever team is lucky enough to have Jay Cutler play for it in 2009 and beyond. I did not put wins down, which people will probably get upset about, but Elway from 83-85 and Cassel in 2008 had the benefit of pretty good defenses. Note the sack number for Cassel in 2008. A QB who gets sacked that much isn’t going to live very long.

    Elway Cutler Cassel Cutler
    1983-85 2006-08 2008 2008
    GS 40 37 16 16
    CMP 664 762 327 384
    ATT 1244 1220 516 616
    CMP% 52.6 62.5 63.4 62.3
    YDS 8152 9024 3643 4526
    TD 47 54 21 25
    TD% 3.7 4.4 4.1 4.1
    INT 52 37 11 18
    INT% 4.4 3 2.1 2.9
    RATE 67.3 87.1 89.4 86
    SACK 90 51 11 47

    Hello from the Iran-Iraq border by the way. Even out here I can keep up with the Broncos thanks to this great website.

  • Jordan C

    It’s really to bad that McDaniels is too proud to say ‘I’m sorry’ and Cutler is too proud/greedy/selfish to be somewhat reasonable.

    McDaniels made some initial mistakes, but Cutler is cutting ties. I’m not sure he realizes the opportunity that he is giving up. He’s most definitely not getting the best advice.

    Moving on…Pat White 2009!

  • BH

    Corrected table. Got some information trying copy down these numbers. Long day. Sorry about that.

    Elway Cutler Cassel Cutler
    1983-85 2006-08 2008 2008
    GS 40 37 16 16
    CMP 664 762 327 384
    ATT 1244 1220 516 616
    CMP% 52.6 62.5 63.4 62.3
    YDS 8152 9024 3693 4526
    TD 47 54 21 25
    TD% 3.7 4.4 4.1 4.1
    INT 52 37 11 18
    INT% 4.4 3 2.1 2.9
    RATE 67.3 87.1 89.4 86
    SACK 90 51 47 11

  • Richard

    juice I did mention their draft position in sentence 3 of paragraph 2.

    Your logic is very good. good premise, 2nd premise also valid, conclusion VALID.

  • Richard

    BH Thanks for your service.

    By the way, should the wunderkind wind up in Detroit, he will be on his ass early and often. The Oline as well as the D both stink.

  • http://birty.blogspot.com mikebirty

    Jordan C, Roy and Mr East get a +1 from me. McD started this, but Cutler finished it.

    Like the idea of Quinn. I’d take 5 (Raji), Quinn and a conditional in 2010 for 19 and Cutler right now.

  • merch22

    I hope this gets fixed. If not trade him. SIMPLE AS THAT

  • Richard

    mikebirty its 8:45 am, I’m willing to bet Prof X is talking to Cleveland now. I also like the idea of Quinn. That Golden Domer has sometyhing to prove after his “Brown” experiences. Raji with #5 for certain. Tyson Jackson with #12 or move down for a late 1st and additional 2nd rounders. Anyone else think Pat White in 3rd round?

  • JP

    Idiot coach, such a novice approach is typical attitude of a Belichick regime. This kind of move and anti-relationship building certainly could have had been foreseen and I hold both Bowlen and idiot McDaniels responsible. Certainly the loosing has alienated fans over the last few years, however, this move has alienated fans and team members!

    So now it’s “WHATEVER” and “WHO CARES’ and “BRONCOS WHO”?

    So what if they get the best quarterback in the draft, it isn’t going to help for another 3 to 4 seasons. So what if they trade and get a mediocre quarterback to replace… there are some things you just can’t take back and as always there are probably things the public don’t know, the final responsibility falls on the idiot McDaniels!

    The good news Broncos is the time it took to vent via this blog is the only time wasted on you this season. I certainly welcome the extra time to do whatever comes to mind as an alternative to watching or supporting you!! Enough is enough!!! My daughter Jaimee will be very happy, no Bronco football to deal with!!!

    Native of Colorado for 50 years… JP

  • fischdog

    This is not good BroncoNation this is not good.

    I dont want Matthew Stafford for JC….blechhhhh.:((((((

    Someone give Jay a hug and a huge binger!

  • http://BroncoTalk.net Mr.East

    I wish the next Denver Post story would be titled.

    Josh and Jay Share a Bottle… problems solved… hangover remains.

  • NathanH

    Great point to the guy that mentioned Chad Johnson.

    The only problem with that is that everyone on the team looks up to the QB, and he needs to be the first and last out of ANY practice, even voluntary. When its 2 minutes to go and the balls in the QB’s hands, you need the whole team to believe in him, and I think he may have damaged that already with his cry baby money wanting antics.

    ESPN JUST REPORTED MCDANIELS WON’T TRADE CUTLER FOR DRAFT PICKS.

    Quinn + Rodgers?

  • http://broncotalk.net (dee)

    http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/16/source-cook-wants-new-contract-for-cutler/#comments

    Is there any better way to say sorry than give you QB 30 million guaranteed Jay Cutler will regret buying into Cook’s BS just like Favre did and just like McNair did.

  • broncoNM

    (dee)- Good article… That pretty much sums it up.

  • Bronco Fan in AL

    This thing is all about territory. Josh McDaniels is trying to make the Broncos his team by staking out his territory. When people do that, they at least try to be diplomatic. When dogs try to do this, they pee all over what they claim as theirs. I think McDaniels is a dog which explains the mess this situation’s become.

  • Stav

    Interesting article but nothing new, we were all saying that Scumbag Cook was pulling his old BS. Does Cutler deserve a re-negotiation, no. If he were to stay in Denver and got to the Pro-Bowl again next year, I’d say yes. But the point is, his a-hole agent is looking to make him the hit the top 5 in QB salaries without any merit. We all know that money talks and that is the all time cure for any relationship problems. Management should call their bluff and keep him. What’s he going to do? He’s under contract, not report, go to the union. He’ll look like the ass. I love Cutler, but now its time to play hardball. We all know that there is no equal value in a trade, or from draft picks, and its obvious that management realizes that too. The Broncos own him for three more years, they have the power here. Here’s to hoping that this backfires in Cook’s face, and they have to go crawling back with their hats held out. This is so transparent its a joke, McNair, Favre, and now Cutler, good job Bus, way to put the individual in front of the team.

  • broncoNM

    The article makes a good point. The broncos dont have to trade Cutler and still control the situation. They can openly listen to offers and if they find one that they cant refuse than they trade Cutler. If they dont get any amazing offers than Cutler stays. If he sits out and doesnt learn the system his stock will drop which wont help his cause. Cutler’s “Trade Demand” allows the broncos to openly shop and negotiate for him. McD and Broncos will listen to offers all day now and will probably get a hell of a deal.

  • inrodwetrust

    Even as a formerly proud owner of a #6 jersey I can finally say phew! It occurs to me that a natural born leader would never throw his whole team under the Bus, Cook up stories of hurt feelings, and Lie down like a dog. Even under the worst case scenarios real leaders put the team first. Jay completely alienated his new and old teammates. Like Brian Dawkins who even has a history with his own diabetic kids, did Cutler even consider taking the high road out of respect for his teammates and their families? Not even those with whom he shares a common bond. Leaders are champions, chumps go on to cell phones.

  • BroncosTrevizo

  • http://www.google.com T-Money

    Today has sucked. What a shitty Monday.

  • ItshouldbetheLombard-BelichickTrophy

    Well, it’s clear-Coach McDaniels simply doesn’t value Cutler’s value…as high as Cutler does.

    McDaniels knows QB’s guys, he was Tom Brady’s QB Coach for petes sake.

    Remember, Cutler is the buffoon who boasted to the Sporting News that his throwing arm is “hands down” stronger than John Elway’s, as well as “Brett Favre’s got a cannon, but on game days, there’s nobody in the league who’s going to throw it harder than I am at all.”

    More of a cannon than Elway?? ROFLMAO!!

    Good riddance to the moron. He’d be a perfect fit in Oakland…

  • http://broncotalk.net (dee)

    I hope McD speaks with Cutler one on one soon and this story ends, Cutler is in too deep now to come back with the Broncos … I am excited about this new chapter in Denver Bronco history..

    Now guys I know this whole situation is annoying and we are all sick of it so I propose you click the link below for some well needed “distractions”

    http://www.lingeriebowl.com/

  • http://myspace.com/paraleipsis jchase8410

    Dee, do you really want to attack my intelligence? You’re in over your head. You obviously don’t understand how investing in real estate works. You don’t use your money, you use other peoples money to make money. He would never pay “cash” up front for it, just a down payment, and use the banks money to finance the rest. This is really a stupid thing to be arguing about, but never attack my intelligence when there us no way in any universe that you can win that battle. Get a clue.

    Cutler will more than likely take the field in sept wearing the orange and blue. When Bus told Xanders Cutler asked for a trade, Xanders responded, “that’s not going to happen.” I’m no expert, just a fan, but I don’t think they will trade him. I loved Mike Golic’s idea that Bowlen should call them both into his office, then leave and tell to work it out. We’ll see what happens in April.

  • http://broncotalk.net (dee)

    jchase8410

    Obviously didnt check out my link before posting, ok you’ve convinced me of you superior intelligence and all knowing wisdom congratulations.

  • Doug

    Hey Bronco fans. Hope the Bronco brass keeps messing up with Jay. We’ll take him at the NY Jets! P.S. Hey Jay, you will need a thicker skin than you if now, if you want to play in some other place (like NY). You don’t know how good you have it!

  • http://broncotalk.net (dee)

    jchase8410

    I’m going to stop responding to you, because you like Cutler seem to be a little too sensitive, you called me a 7 year old and it rolled off my back but when I said something about you …. you gave me real estate 101 as a response. I dont come here to fight with people, you started it , and now with this entry I have finished it.

  • http://myspace.com/paraleipsis jchase8410

    Alright Dee, I’m just frustrated with he whole situation, my bad. Felt good to argue a little. Lingerie bowl kicks ass, great distraction.

    I am on board with Pat White ’09 if Cut gets traded. I think hat his passing skills have ALWAYS been under-rated, which he proved at the seniorbowl, and the combine. Terriffic athelete. I’m glad we can all stress less about the Cutler/McD fiasco.

    Mr. East
    I totally agree with you that Cutler is not the Broncos Savior. I just think he is a really good QB with potential to be one of the greats. I actually thought, “are you serious Jay?!” when he said if Pat wanted to talk to me, why wasn’t he at the meeting….Who does he think he is? As if the owner of the team has to answer to him…unbelievable. That statement alone may have made me jump ship. I am not on McD’s side because I don’t think he is capable of running a classy organization. He has lied to Jay, lied to the fans, and lie to himself when he got caught. I just can’t bring myself to support someone like that. Consider me indifferent!

  • amoore

    the new coach is an idiot coming from an organization that had all there cylinders clicking jay was the only good thing about the broncos and if he was on the patriots he would of lit it up even more. they should tell jay they are sorry

  • ryan

    I always wondered what it would be like to be a Dallas Cowboy fan, now I know. I will now go rape a beehive.

  • JRODZ

    Ryan = OUCH!

    Here’s an open letter to McD: Exactly how many NFL games have you won as a Head Coach? Put your dork back in your pants. The pissing contest is over. Tell him he’s your guy, you’ll make it work, sit back, relax and watch Cutler make you a fricking star!

  • Ant

    First off I agree w/ Mr.East. Cutler is the best thing since Elway. That being said I feel that Cutler is being a Big Bay. His arrogance is too much. He’s a very talent QB, but hasn’t been test in not one playoff game. Daniels is an a$$hole just like his mentor Mr. B in New England. There is no loyalty with Daniels and all players are going to take notice, because it used to be a place where players would take less to play for, but those days are over. It’s a sad day in Denver if Cutler is traded, because they just started to rebuild the team around Cutler, you get rid of him and your at Square one. AGAIN.
    Damn it Mike S. why could you build a better D, then we wouldn’t even be in this situation with a new coach and all.

  • Jeffhead

    This coach blows!!! Who made the decision to get this guy. He is 32 and coached with the Patriots, actually let me re-fraze, he was one of Belichick’s whipping boys . I hate the patriots and definitely do not want to be one. They are proven to not be trustworthy. Oh and Jay Cutler may be acting childish, but he is a good quarterback (a pro bowl quarterback) that brings a swagger to the team that we have not had in years. True this is a business but where is the common seance. I put this one as much on Pat Bowlen as McDaniel’s. No Bowlen you are not in charge and you show no loyalty to your players.

  • soxbigdog

    The bright spot, in this mire of what has been the last season or so was the potential of what Jay Cutler could do with the franchise… now that is, or soon will be, gone…

    I have followed the Broncos since 1986, and this for me is the lowest point I can possibly remember for the franchise.

    The future looks lik ethis to me… They trade Cutler (and the longer they wait, the less they get for him)… they get a 1st round pick (HOPEFULLY!), and some other misc garbage for him…they sign a Jeff Garcia type to get them through the next few years until another QB can be groomed… that just an awful forecast !

    They HAVE to find someone with at least a twinkle of ability to be brought in.. if I am in control and HAVE to trade Cutler… I work a three team deal and bring a Matt Leinert to Denver…

    Leinart might not be the answer.. but at least he gives the appearce that the team may attempt to win within the next 4 or 5 years

  • JK

    Come on!
    keep Jay! fire Josh!

  • big clubb

    Ive backed Cutler from day one,but lets grow up kid, thousands of familys are struggling to survive on state assistance.Maybe you should check your ego at the door (even if McDaniels is a dick) and play the GAME you get payed millions to play and show your fans you are the bigger man . Otherwise you become another athelete that people dont respect and wont cheer for.

  • http://maininator earl

    I think Detroits 2 and 3 sound good. Cutler will love a good organization with a couple of first round wide receivers they have drafted, He could become the face of Detroit.
    Good bye you are what is wrong with pro sports, enjoy detroit.

  • http://www.pennington.net/ mikepenn

    As far as I’m concerned this is a chest-beating competition by two guys who have something to prove…

    A class employee wouldn’t think of airing dirty laundry and sure as heck would be reasonable when Bowlen / McCheese calls.

    A coach who understands people better than McCheese can soft-talk Cutler out of his mid-20s immaturity… and I think most of us reading this board have been 20-something asshats too. That doesn’t mean he gives up team discipline, but it does mean he doesn’t pull heavy-handed crap like telling key players they are expendable. Good coaches know when it’s not worth an ugly battle. A previous poster made a rather astute observation about the butter-jobs McCheese gave all his free agents this year… He has it in him as long as his pride isn’t on the table. Sorry to mention Shanny now, but that is one thing he knew how to do very well… manage egos… and you think a few NFL players might have them? Note to McCheese… learn something from Shanny.

    I sure hope these guys are men enough to admit they both are trying to be the alpha dog and the only thing that matters is winning games. Cutler’s a little turd right now, but McCheese dishing out tough love with less than a month on the job is destroying the team spirit… that sure isn’t going to help this season with or without Cutler.

  • muaythai

    I agree that Josh needs to go. Jay is a great QB and if the Broncos are going any place this year, Jay needs to be at the helm. I could care less about the head coach. It appears he is on an ego trip. If Jay goes, so do a lot of Bronco Fans.

  • ItshouldbetheLombardi-BelichickTrophy

    @jeffhead

    >>>McDaniels was one of Belichick’s whipping boys<<<

    LOL! I hope your slander is right coz I am a Pats fan.

    Unfortunately, your point is irrelevant. Cutler is,what. even 1/4 as good as Brady? Less?

    “As good”…I mean, and let’s face it, Cutler couldn’t even be Tom’s waterboy, YOU DON”T RUBBISH THE COACH!

    You guys have no clue, but here’s an insite into perpetual dominance: would Gisele Bundchen’s better half EVER EVEN DARE calling Mr Kraft…robert…or bob??? Argue with the owner via ESPN sound bites?!?!

    To Cutler, moron that he is – as are all those who support him – that point would simply pass over his/your head(s).

    Do you even begin to understand?

    As a Patriots fan, I really doubt it – WONDEFUL NEWS!

    You know, if your previous coach hadn’t hired that rabid, cheap shot extraordinaire Romanowski, you amoeba who have supported both over the years might have some credibility.

    Josh will give you that. Will you even be able to see that? Or are you, as I suspect, all romanowskis, eh?

  • http://www.broncotalk.net Hunter

    Trade the baby! Cutler, B. Marshall and Scheffler to Lions for C. Johnson (stud), first pick in draft and the 20th pick. We now have two ways to go with the draft to get a future system QB for Josh. Draft Stafford number 1, get a DE at 12 and another def player at 20. The other option is the nose guard from Boston College at number one, draft Sanchez at 12 and another defender at 20. Let’s get rid of the baggage and start fresh!

  • Xanders needs to go

    What are you thinking hiring this guy? Completley clueless, was a stat boy in Atlanta, and a career scout player at FSU. He is totally overmatched, and now it looks like McDaniels is running the show not the so called GM. Its time to bring in a real GM to help stop the disaster. Of course now the Broncos salary cap is totally messed up with the retreads this guy has brought in. I guess he is hoping for no cap next year. Congratulations to Denver on becoming the new Washington Redskins. Nice job alienating your best young player, Cutler knows when to get out of this mess created by an overmatched GM.

  • Ant

    Never trust anyone from the New England Patriot Org. All they do is lie and cheat. They are also not loyal to the players, and they’ll cut you at the end of training camp leaving you with few options.

  • Rick

    We RAIDER fans are LOVING this,

  • d creech

    Somebody’s a tittybaby