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	<title>Comments on: Broncos Collapse in Second Half, Fall to Raiders 31-10</title>
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		<title>By: kerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shanahan wont give up his duties in the front office although it would be in the best interest for the team. Shanahan is becoming exactly like Dan Reeves was. he has to have all the control and power and Bowlen wont stop him. its ridiculous. a new GM/VP is needed and Shanahan needs to be sent straight out of the front office. otherwise this team will continue its long stretch of mediocrity. we are really lucky the Chargers suck so bad. a playoff appearance by default. yeah Shanahan really earned that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shanahan wont give up his duties in the front office although it would be in the best interest for the team. Shanahan is becoming exactly like Dan Reeves was. he has to have all the control and power and Bowlen wont stop him. its ridiculous. a new GM/VP is needed and Shanahan needs to be sent straight out of the front office. otherwise this team will continue its long stretch of mediocrity. we are really lucky the Chargers suck so bad. a playoff appearance by default. yeah Shanahan really earned that one.</p>
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		<title>By: T-Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>T-Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think we would go after him.  I think we are set with what we have in hillis pope and bell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think we would go after him.  I think we are set with what we have in hillis pope and bell.</p>
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		<title>By: Dakota fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dakota fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey brothers and sisters- no one will probably scroll down this far, but I just saw that the Redskins are releasing Shaun Alexander to clear up roster space. Anyone out there think he&#039;s worth signing for the rest of the year? Is he too beat up or is his price too high? Maybe this is wishful thinking, but he was pretty talented not too long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey brothers and sisters- no one will probably scroll down this far, but I just saw that the Redskins are releasing Shaun Alexander to clear up roster space. Anyone out there think he&#8217;s worth signing for the rest of the year? Is he too beat up or is his price too high? Maybe this is wishful thinking, but he was pretty talented not too long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: meomy</title>
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		<dc:creator>meomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Socal Den Fan, I agree with you on the Gary Kubiak not being there. The moment I heard he had a head coaching job I was happy for him but disappointed for the broncos. With any luck the Texans will keep loosing and he will get fired so the Broncos can pick him back up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socal Den Fan, I agree with you on the Gary Kubiak not being there. The moment I heard he had a head coaching job I was happy for him but disappointed for the broncos. With any luck the Texans will keep loosing and he will get fired so the Broncos can pick him back up.</p>
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		<title>By: Socal Den Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socal Den Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This game still hurts! I agree linmoo this would of been a totally different game if  Hillis didn&#039;t fumble. But the fact is he did and we lost but it not as bad as it could of been if san diego would of won. Bucky I would have to totally agree with you and would be the first one to say I am at fault at barking back at kerry.Kerry we all have our opinions and havethe right to voice them,but to each their own.All I care about is the broncos winning games and would agree that Shanny needs to scale down his duties. I sure miss gary kubiak calling plays as soon as he left it hasn&#039;t been the same.I don&#039;t think we are too far away from having a really good team we need a good defense mind and give them some time to get the players they need in their system.Lets get back to some good debates  about the broncos and stop this foolishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This game still hurts! I agree linmoo this would of been a totally different game if  Hillis didn&#8217;t fumble. But the fact is he did and we lost but it not as bad as it could of been if san diego would of won. Bucky I would have to totally agree with you and would be the first one to say I am at fault at barking back at kerry.Kerry we all have our opinions and havethe right to voice them,but to each their own.All I care about is the broncos winning games and would agree that Shanny needs to scale down his duties. I sure miss gary kubiak calling plays as soon as he left it hasn&#8217;t been the same.I don&#8217;t think we are too far away from having a really good team we need a good defense mind and give them some time to get the players they need in their system.Lets get back to some good debates  about the broncos and stop this foolishness.</p>
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		<title>By: jchase8410</title>
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		<dc:creator>jchase8410</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally...we can all agree on something (including you Mr. Kerry) Shanahan has got to relinquish some of his power. Will that happen? I am going to say there is a 5% chance he will give up his GM duties. He is a terrific coach, but he is not the know-all-end-all of NFL football. I am still proud of this team and what they have accomplished with everything that has gone against them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally&#8230;we can all agree on something (including you Mr. Kerry) Shanahan has got to relinquish some of his power. Will that happen? I am going to say there is a 5% chance he will give up his GM duties. He is a terrific coach, but he is not the know-all-end-all of NFL football. I am still proud of this team and what they have accomplished with everything that has gone against them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dakota fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dakota fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMEN AND I SECOND THE MOTION, BUCKY!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMEN AND I SECOND THE MOTION, BUCKY!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im getting sick of even coming to this site, I used to love it, but that was before kerry showed up, It used to be a site were people would come and show both love and hate for the Broncos, people would through down the smack on shanny, or marshal or whoever and then we would debate it, but now I come one here and this A$% H#&amp;e just bashes the people on this site, all of carp about drinking cool aid and whatever, dude i know you grew up and couldn&#039;t be the bully at the school yard any more, but that don&#039;t mean you gotta bring your garbage here, if you wanna logically slam the Broncos that&#039;s fine, but enough of slamming the other fans, we all have our opinion and they are just as valid as yours, I have read your posts and trust me, you are not the NFL&#039;s greatest mind, and neither am I or anyone else on this site, we all just come here to talk Broncos and have fun. If you can do that then by all means lets keep the convo rolin. but if you cant, then may i suggest the Denver Post or the Rocky Mountain News. cause the kind of hate that&#039;s been flowin with you is really common play over there.  I&#039;m not telling you to piss off, but seriously if you cant come on here like a normal person and talk without slamin every person who tries to talk to you on this blog, then, well... piss off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im getting sick of even coming to this site, I used to love it, but that was before kerry showed up, It used to be a site were people would come and show both love and hate for the Broncos, people would through down the smack on shanny, or marshal or whoever and then we would debate it, but now I come one here and this A$% H#&amp;e just bashes the people on this site, all of carp about drinking cool aid and whatever, dude i know you grew up and couldn&#8217;t be the bully at the school yard any more, but that don&#8217;t mean you gotta bring your garbage here, if you wanna logically slam the Broncos that&#8217;s fine, but enough of slamming the other fans, we all have our opinion and they are just as valid as yours, I have read your posts and trust me, you are not the NFL&#8217;s greatest mind, and neither am I or anyone else on this site, we all just come here to talk Broncos and have fun. If you can do that then by all means lets keep the convo rolin. but if you cant, then may i suggest the Denver Post or the Rocky Mountain News. cause the kind of hate that&#8217;s been flowin with you is really common play over there.  I&#8217;m not telling you to piss off, but seriously if you cant come on here like a normal person and talk without slamin every person who tries to talk to you on this blog, then, well&#8230; piss off</p>
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		<title>By: Linmoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linmoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The loss to the Raiders really came down to three plays: 1) the return TD, 2) the Cutler pick deep in Denver territory, and 3) the Hillis fumble inside the 5.  That&#039;s a 21 point swing.  Otherwise, we were marching up and down the field before we started calling consecutive Fly routes and draw plays. That killed the O-production...and killed the game. 

I thing about this team this year is that the wins completely depend on the offensive production during the game.  If the Broncos don&#039;t put up 24+ points, they lose. That&#039;s a lot of pressure to put on the offense. And since the offense is really just a passing offense right now, that&#039;s a whole lot of pressure to put on young Cutler, Marshall, Royal, and Scheffler.  They have to keep their cool when the stuff hits the fan.  It&#039;s really no mystery why our team is so completely inconsistent. Without a defensive backbone, we&#039;re really stuck depending on (passing) offensive production.

That said, I&#039;m still pretty impressed with the run defense the last two games.  People are at least committing to stopping the run (although &quot;wrapping up&quot; is a very loosely held standard in Denver).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The loss to the Raiders really came down to three plays: 1) the return TD, 2) the Cutler pick deep in Denver territory, and 3) the Hillis fumble inside the 5.  That&#8217;s a 21 point swing.  Otherwise, we were marching up and down the field before we started calling consecutive Fly routes and draw plays. That killed the O-production&#8230;and killed the game. </p>
<p>I thing about this team this year is that the wins completely depend on the offensive production during the game.  If the Broncos don&#8217;t put up 24+ points, they lose. That&#8217;s a lot of pressure to put on the offense. And since the offense is really just a passing offense right now, that&#8217;s a whole lot of pressure to put on young Cutler, Marshall, Royal, and Scheffler.  They have to keep their cool when the stuff hits the fan.  It&#8217;s really no mystery why our team is so completely inconsistent. Without a defensive backbone, we&#8217;re really stuck depending on (passing) offensive production.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m still pretty impressed with the run defense the last two games.  People are at least committing to stopping the run (although &#8220;wrapping up&#8221; is a very loosely held standard in Denver).</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only is Bowlen probably not a visitor, but I doubt he woudl go for &quot;The Chin.&quot; Shannahan is a good coach. When he is only the coach. (Unlike &quot;I-need-a-hug&quot; kerry, I don&#039;t hate him. Maybe Shanny rejected him at some level and he is bitter.) Bates was supposed to be part of the solution, but who is still calling the plays? Shanny. Who does not take his Scouts advice about d-players? Shanny. The point is, he is a great HC, but he needs some checks and balances put into place.  
And Kerry? Why don&#039;t you go &quot;dazzle&quot; Florio over at PFT with your anti-shanny views? I am sure both you will have a good time starting an anti-shanny orgy together. Little tip, if you want people to validate you ideas you probably should not present youself as such a condecending prick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only is Bowlen probably not a visitor, but I doubt he woudl go for &#8220;The Chin.&#8221; Shannahan is a good coach. When he is only the coach. (Unlike &#8220;I-need-a-hug&#8221; kerry, I don&#8217;t hate him. Maybe Shanny rejected him at some level and he is bitter.) Bates was supposed to be part of the solution, but who is still calling the plays? Shanny. Who does not take his Scouts advice about d-players? Shanny. The point is, he is a great HC, but he needs some checks and balances put into place.<br />
And Kerry? Why don&#8217;t you go &#8220;dazzle&#8221; Florio over at PFT with your anti-shanny views? I am sure both you will have a good time starting an anti-shanny orgy together. Little tip, if you want people to validate you ideas you probably should not present youself as such a condecending prick.</p>
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